/ September 22, 2004 01:30 PM
Why are we fighting this war? Why are we fighting these people? Why are our soldiers there? There was a video released of Jack Hensley's beheading. If you haven't watched one of these video then you cannot truly understand what we are facing and having to deal with. I urge you to watch one if you have not.
The video is gruesome.
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Posted by Digger on September 22, 2004 01:30 PM (Permalink)
How is it that we need to fight a more sensitive war? What is sensitive about these people? What did these men do to deserve this.
Barbarism is alive and well in the middle east. And people here cry about the way we execute killers...with a needle and little or no pain.
Posted by: Allen W on September 22, 2004 04:59 PM
Every adult in America should be encouraged to watch this video. This is what would happen to every adult and child in America if these people had their way. We must protect America and its people from these people who hate us so. I have always been rather liberal in my thinking....NO MORE. God help us!!!
Posted by: Sylvia Garrett on September 22, 2004 05:02 PM
These men made the mistake of taking a job to help their families as well as the families of the people over there. That was their sin.
I agree Sylvia. This is the first video I have linked, before I thought differently, but afer having watched this video myself I think we need to wake some people up to the realities of what we are facing.
Posted by: Digger on September 22, 2004 05:15 PM
this has got to be the worst of anything thing in life. these monsters need to face God right now and then burn in hell. this is sick and so very cruel and no words can explain this. May God Bless These Families, I pray God will help them threw this somehow.
Posted by: cheryl edmonds on September 22, 2004 05:41 PM
and yes we all need God and we need to fight these people, or our children will never have life nor a chance, these creeps will take over, and we will all die or ones we love will .
Posted by: cheryl edmonds on September 22, 2004 05:44 PM
I watched the Nick Berg video. All nine blood gurgling screams still haunt me when I look out my window. Michael Savage aired the sound from Eugene Armstrong on the radio and I new I could not see this brutality again. I have unfortunately been unable to force myself to see the Eugene Armstrong and Jack Hensley video. Nick Berg's images still echo within me. I DO AGREE THOUGH...EVERY AMERICAN MUST SEE WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE CAPABLE OF. Although there is evidence that some 'cells' live in the USA I am still grateful Bush took the fight away from our homeland.
As many have stated in your blogs of Eugene Armstrong, we must step it up and end the pathetic sensitive war. We were not sympathetic in the old wars of the past. Let's not let critics from the left delay their elimination.
Posted by: tj on September 22, 2004 08:29 PM
Islamic fanatics are the greatest threat to world peace. We need to wake up and adopt a "zero" immigration policy from radical Islamic states. There is no upside to having a growing Islamic population. Where fundamentalist Muslims exist in large numbers, terror, murder and oppression go with them. Black letter Islam is a brutal, hateful, freightening religion. This is a fight to the death against those that have no qualms about murdering women, children, or any other non-combatant, as long as the non-combatant rejects their bullshit religion. I say give them want they want, give them total war. Any country that supports any form of Islamic terrorism should be leveled and wiped from the face of the earth as the Romands did to the Carthnegians centuries ago. These fanatics respect one thing - force. And force we must give them in a way that stuns them out of their current optimism.
Posted by: Another Round for Egor on September 22, 2004 10:32 PM
These sons of bitches need to rot in hell where they belong. I'm deeply enraged after seeing such brutality being done to a fellow american. If only i could go over there to Iraq have the US military arm me with an M-16 I would waste these all these fucking ragheads. And then these cowards hide behind 4 layers of sheets to cover themselves up when they execute each hostage becuase they're too pussy to show they're faces.
Posted by: Rob on September 22, 2004 10:49 PM
I have no use for the Iranian people. I would like to get our people out of there then NUKE it we don't need it.As far as the sand niggers who are in the USA gather them all up men women and children and shoot the pigs and make a video so we can have a party..SAND NIGGERS SHOULD DIE
Posted by: I hate sand niggers on September 22, 2004 11:22 PM
as great a threat these islamic heathen pose to god fearing christans everywhere a threat as great or greater is well entrenched in these great united states and that is the likes of those who adhere and promote the treasonous bullshit that the clintons and the kerrys and there hollywood elitest millionair socialist supporters perpetuate,our youth are bombarded with liberalagendas at every step along there way by the left wing main stream media,liberal college proffesors,and the false idols in hollywood,it does not "TAKE THE VILLAGE TO RAISE THE CHILD"!!!this battle must first be fought in the home we are obligated to teach our children as early as possible that the poison spewed by there public school teachers and these false idols on that vile box in all of our living rooms is not to be trusted
Posted by: joe farrell on September 23, 2004 12:06 AM
You crooked fucking idiots, I hope you all die a death that is similar/worse than the death that these people died. What the fuck, Joe Farrell? I hope you get some help soon before you start another Waco, Texas incident. Maybe if you would stop being such inbred right wing hicks for just a second, you would see that these nice people are getting their heads sawed off because our country started an illegal war against this country that, after all, had no WMDs, no nuke capabilities. Whatever happened to Osama Bin Laden? Remember him? He's the guy that made those two planes fly into those two tall buildings in New York city...
Posted by: barry duffman on September 23, 2004 12:25 AM
MY HEART TRUELY CRIES FOR THIS...MAN IS TRUELY EVIL IN THOUGHTS AS WELL AS ACTIONS!!!! GOD SAVE US!!!!
Posted by: R PRESOTT on September 23, 2004 12:57 AM
This horror is appalling but I don't remember this ever happening before we started an illegal war. Bush and Blair have blood on their hands and if I was family of any of the hostages it is they I would hold accountable. I am sick of this right wing bullshit that serves only to kill our troops and our civillians. Fuck you Bush you cowboy.
Posted by: Matt Bing on September 23, 2004 01:38 AM
I am numb. This video is the most barbaric act concievable to me. I can honestly say that I whispered a prayer for God to comfort Hensley's family. But what peace can they possibly have? You can read all you want about the conflict in Iraq, but this shows the true, stark reality. This has made a permanent mark on me.
Posted by: HK on September 23, 2004 02:51 AM
It is not Bush that is doing this! Remember the blood of 9/11 is on the hands of ONE man!!!! Bill Clinton! Had Clinton taken care of OBL when we had him cornered 9/11 and maybe all the rest of this would have NEVER happen, of course he was to busy playing hide the cigar with a fat little intern! And yes maybe we didn't find WMD's in IRAQ but there were there, you'd have to be stupid to think he didn't have them...he used them against the KURDS!!! And yes Saddam had links to OBL...Unfortunately most of the american public believes everything they see on the TV and the media is so liberial leaning you only get one side of the story!...Remember this...how many terrorist were walking free on the face of the earth BEFORE Bush?
I am in the military and after Bush is re-elected you will start to see a difference in the policy's in IRAQ and in dealing with these bastrads you can bank on it!!!!
IMO if John "Flip-Flop" Kerry gets elected it will show these bastards that the americans are weak and that they have won the first battle by scaring the country into voting for John Kerry, I mean hell what did Clinton do about terrorist?...ZIP!
Posted by: Rodbo on September 23, 2004 04:15 AM
The only thing between us (true believers of what is right and wrong) and the barbaric animals we're dealing with, is God. While I would love to do as most of you would (CUT OFF THE BODY PARTS OF THESE FREAKS OF MAN, BONE SECTION BY BONE SECTION, STARTING AT THE TOES), I know God has a much better plan for these idiots. Eternity is a long time, much longer than most can imagine, and hell is just the place for these ASSHOLES to take a permant vacation at. I want a front row seat when they are sentenced too. And just maybe God might have a lottery for a select few to hold their head under the lake of fire for a short time!! I'll go broke buying tickets~
Posted by: Bigsport on September 23, 2004 05:36 AM
God, Bigsport, is on no-one's side, this is quite evident. Frankly I doubt there even his one but if there is he's probably hanging his head in shame at His folly of creating such men. I for one recognise these men as barbarians and belive they should receive earthly justice but not the kind you seem to want. Is that any better than them? No, I don't think so.
Posted by: Matt Bing on September 23, 2004 05:55 AM
It's not Bush doing it? Have I missed something?
Oh, and yes, I've seen the WMA, they were on the news weren't they? Must have missed that bulletin.
Most of the American public believe the fear forced upon us by a President who's only interest is oil and revenge. We are being told constantly that it's all about "freedom" and "democracy" but Bush spouts nothing of the sort. He just wants the world to live his way, to be right wing Christians. He's a crusader and a cowboy and he's slowly turning this world upside down.
Posted by: Matt Bing on September 23, 2004 05:58 AM
OK after a day of reading both pathetically right and left wing crap. I am a registered Republican by the way. It amazes me how one side can see this and blame our country, and another is using crude racist terms from my childhood.
The war is not illegal, it was approved by congress, there was plenty of reason to invade...17 UN resolutions that had shown no teeth. Lets talk about Germany, France and ahh yes the Russians who profited greatly from ILLEGAL trade with the Iraqi regime. It had nothing to do with right and wrong it had to do with money those countries made off Iraq's oil rights. Well we have recently seen what the Terrorists think of countries who dont invade(recently) HOw many children were massacred in Russia by there extremists...and oh yeah they didnt invade with the US. ANd for that matter actually stood with France against us.
Bush is far from perfect, he doesnt speak as well as some would like. BUt there has not been another major attack on American soil since 9/11. But, you can bet there will be a concerted effort in the week before the election to sway it Kerry's way. Just as they did in Spain nad there are enough Lemmings here to go that way.
WE did not start this terrorist crap by invading Iraq. If anyone remembers the first Trade Center bombing in 94, GW was still owner of the Texas Rangers. THey hate us, our way of life, and feel that we are less then human...all this is an excuse to destroy human life of which they have no value.
A good friend is a Homicide Detective in Stockholm Sweden. Not the capitol of Murder..thats us. But, a few years ago he told me their numbers for the year. It was 8 murders. Of that one was a barroom fight. And 7 were Muslims in Stockholm who slaughtered their daughter wife etc for discrasing the family..and it was brutal and barbaric as this is. So hate our country our president our way of life...it wont change these people.
Posted by: Allen W on September 23, 2004 06:30 AM
Stop depriving yourself of information by living in your delusional liberal cave. Turn the T.V off and search yourself for the truth.
Bush is the only candidate that is willing to stand up for the values our country was founded on. If it makes him unpopular with the idiots on the left, so be it. Unlike Kerry, who confuses himself on a regular basis. Kerry is a puppet and the radical left is holding the strings. You would know this if you would realize the absolute bias in the media. NBC, ABC, of course CBS.
There are so many things wrong in your statement; I think I will only respond to one....
BUSH has no blood on his hands! God gave man a will, what we do is on our own heads. We cannot blame God nor another human being for these actions. These terrorists will be taken care of. You should not give up on God because that is exactly what these devils want you to do.
Posted by: tj on September 23, 2004 06:58 AM
Bastards ! I hope they rot in hell
The thought would never cross my mind to ever hurt another human
But after seeing these two Americans die in this terrible way
I would take a knife and do the same to these cowards
Bless the American familys who have lost there loved ones
Posted by: ReKa on September 23, 2004 07:03 AM
Bush DOES have blood on his hands. The invasion of Iraq was at his behest looking for none existant WMDs. I couldn't care less about NBC, ABC and CBS but you don't like them because they don't follow your blinkered views. If Bush wants to protect America he should start by looking after America itself. The problems are a long held foreing policy by all past administrations and their fanatical need to force their way of life upon others. Bush is a right wing fanatic who somehow things that God is only with America and its allies. Sorry to disappoint you but the terrorists also think exactly the same way.
AS for not giving up on God, well, I've looked for him but the only conclusion I can come up with is that he doesn't exist. If there is one then he's the one who's given up and I wouldn't waste my thoughts on him.
Posted by: Matt Bing on September 23, 2004 07:22 AM
Sorry for my English.It is not my motherlanguage but I HAVE to express my feelings.
I am so angry that I didn't know how to write it down but my question is then: Can we all not come together and and go together to that country and use gas for everybody because I think there is no tru people living in those countries. Busch must go away from Irak and after leaving that country then he must use a atomic bom. I really believe that is the only solution to get rid of those anymals.I am sick to dead.
If you want my name just send an e-mail.
Posted by: JATU on September 23, 2004 08:10 AM
Anyone who has their heads so far up their asses that believes we need to just let these people alone to do what they wish to others belong right along with the bastards that did this and are doing this to be judged to the most grusome death imaginable the I actually feel sorry for them when they meet their maker. Can you actually sit back and imagine this happening to yourself or worse to one of you family. Bush needs all of our support and prayers to handle this situation swiftly. And if we as a country elect a pussy like Kerry God have mercy on all our souls. Im sick of people who want the freedoms we are so very blessed in this country with saying we dont need to stand up for it. They need to realize we need to take stands and fight for what is right for this country and our families and keep these rights and freedoms!!!!! Bush is doing all he can with his hands tied. From an american willing to stand for freedoms but unified we stand apart we fall!!!!!!
Posted by: Scott Doud on September 23, 2004 08:45 AM
How can you sit there, forgetting the moments of 9/11 and say that Bush is to blame. He isn't fighting this war over WMD. Hell, the WMD are the barbarians slitting peoples necks. BUSH is fighting this war to prevent another 9/11 from happening on our soil. Would you prefer that these barbarians come and abduct you from your house and do the awful things to you that they did to Hensley and Armstrong. I don't think so. You know, you should show your country, troops, and especially yourself that you care about the country you live in and stand behind it no matter what. WAKE UP KID. BUSH ALL THE WAY
Posted by: Red on September 23, 2004 08:58 AM
I mhave to say something one more time here, the 911- attack happened before bush got his chair warm good, he had just got elected, if he had not sent our men to fight they would win, if he did nothing we would loose. our older men fought for us or we would probably not be here now. if we don't fight we won't be here they will keep killing and blowing up people children, and the rest of their sick task will continue. we have to fight this country stands for freedom down from our soldiers along time ago. We can't run scared now.
Posted by: cheryl edmonds on September 23, 2004 09:01 AM
Your comments still surprise me...
First of all Bush is not far right. I think it shows by how much money he is spending in the white house. Although at a time of war, it is hard not to spend money like that! Oh yeah, what the hells wrong with you...comparing Bush to the terrorists?? That is the most ROBOTIC liberal statement yet. Find a mind of your own, stop repeated what the left is telling you to say!
On a different note, you are showing you secular side in your non-belief in our lord. PLUS...as so clearly stated in a Joe Nichols song..."you'd walk away too, if no one believed in you".
Posted by: tj on September 23, 2004 09:15 AM
These guys are sicker than shit! If they think that they are saved by doing this to their fellow men, then they are the Sons of Perdition, the descendants of Cain. Why didn't the Israelites follow the Lord and kill these people when they had a chance? Instead they had "mercy" on them and made them their servants. I say, next time you read your Bible, you should read it for yourselves. The Lord GOD Commanded that the Israelites kill the inhabitants of the land that they were passing through, but they "Chose" not to listen. The law of GOD is not the same as the law of man. If they had obeyed the Lord then, we would not be going through this now.
This is NOT an anti-semitic blog. This is just a study of the "If, Then" factor. Pray often. Follow the Holy Spirit. Remember that you are a Child of God, and all will be well. Don't put yourself in jeapardous situations. As for those killers, God will make them pay.
Posted by: Matt Man on September 23, 2004 09:21 AM
Look, I'm not siding with any barbaric terorists. They didn't just spring up from nowhere. They hate America for a reason and that is that for too long the foreign policy has been to try and infiltrate every land in the world with ideals of "liberty" and "freedom". But as those living in parts of German which used to be the communist east are finding, freedom of speech is not finding them work or feeding their children. I'm no advocate for Communism before you start but I don't believe that America's brand of freedom is the one true path. Bush needs to take stock of his actions before the world turns into a fireball of death and destruction.
As for as Red is concerned, if we do nothing they will come into our houses and do the same to us? What propoganda are you reading? That's not their modus operandi at all. We are safe where we live if we don't keep fucking up the world.
As for Bush. God, the man's got an iq of about 100 which is average. That means that anyone of us could run the country. Give me a break. Get him OUT.
Posted by: MB on September 23, 2004 10:26 AM
It is the surviving of the fittest. Demography and statistics are blind. It shows prevailing of one over another. Time will show.
Posted by: on September 23, 2004 11:33 AM
You are right not to bring god into this. We see others bringing god into this and it is how they justify their actions. So I fully agree with you on that. We do differ on one thing.
If we had not gone into Iraq we would be worse off then we are today. Do we have an immenent threat from Saddam anymore? You say " he never could get us.." We we have many allies in the Middle East that were having missles lobbed in their direction. Remember the days of Kuwait what he did to the innocent Kuwaiti. To live with a clean conscience we as a super powwer could no longer allow our friends to be treated this way.
As a kid at a park as you grew up, when you were 15 and and you saw a 10 year old getting tossed around by a 13 year old you arent gonna just watch are you. At some point we had to intervene.
What we need now is for any civies to be weapons trained and have personal security at all times. Travel in convoy and live in barracks.
Posted by: Andrew on September 23, 2004 11:37 AM
I do not need to see the videos. I'm not surprised that so many of you bloodthirsty lunatics find self-righteous reasons to feed your bloodlust however.
As Bernard Shaw said in his play, St. Joan: "Must Christ be crucified anew in every generation for those with little imagination?"
Frankly, the United States of America is as much of a rogue state and terrorist nation as any of the fanatical and evil states you people supposedly oppose.
Saddam Hussein: supported by the U.S.A. when convenient re. the war with Iran. Indeed, the U.S. supplied him with the means and expertise to create the poison gases used on Iranian soldiers and in the genocide of the Kurds.
The Taliban: trained and given a leg up by the C.I.A. under the (then) head, George Bush Sr. to form a anti-Soviet death squad.
The School of the Americas: A Florida terrorist traning camp created and funded by the U.S. government to train Central and South American death squads that murdered innocent civilians, including women and children, including the method of decapitation.
The Shah of Iran: one of this centuries bloodiest despots (and an anti-democratic totalitarian) supported by the American government, even though his crimes against humanity were well known to the U.S. (indeed the world) setting the stage for the totalitarian and fanatic uprising of the Islamic state.
Chile: the bloody coup against Allende in favour of Pinochet, including the slaughter of thousands of innocents (guilty of nothing more than the wish to exercise democratic perogatives) during the actual coup and the "disappearance" and torture of thousands more...supported by the C.I.A. with the full knowledge of the U.S. government.
And of course, the Bush/ Bin Laden connection: check out how close the two were financially. Indeed, the Bin Ladens helped finance Bush's presidential campaign. And they were the ONLY people allowed to fly out of the U.S. on the fateful day of September 11th, by Presidential fiat and without a single question being asked of them.
This is only scratching the surface. If you are reading this, you must have a computer, so it shouldn't be beyond your ability to research the facts, even the ones your myopic and amoral nation doesn't want to face.
Now, I'm not saying the United States of Amoral America is alone in acts of evil, but the U.S.A. is in a class of its own re. hypocricy. "Preservation of democracy"? Make me puke you pustiliminous liars!
It is time for revolution! The United States of America is a superpower: it farts, and billions are affected. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION! The principle can be applied to the modern stage. You idiots of irresponsible ethics and myopic stupidity affect/ infect the world, but we have no say. WHY should your 250 or so million rule 6 billion (indirectly or not)?
Especially considering that Americans are SOOO lazy that its been over twenty years since even 50% of those able to vote have even bothered...yup. you monsters will "kill for democracy" but to actually tear yourselves away from the pork-rind littered couch and boob tube to actually vote?
The Terrorists of the world need to be stopped. They need to be brought to justice. And this applies equally to the Islamic extremists, political extremists, Israel. corporate opportunists, and governments like the U.S.'s. Barbarity like these beheadings, or like the U.S.'s use of torture and targeting of innocents needs to be stopped
Justice, to be just, must be equal and impartial with th same rules applied to all. NO MORE SPECIAL RULES FOR ANYONE...INCLUDING THE FASCIST STATES OF AMERICA!
Posted by: Padraic on September 23, 2004 01:18 PM
Padraic the Un-American treasouness rebel. You sound like the same man holding the knife. Padraic Zarqawi you walk a thin line of civil treachoury! YOU THINK ONE NATION CAUSES ALL THE WORLDS TROUBLE? You think Bush intentionally causes this? You are a beauracratic socialist fool !!! You rely on the imagination of Mr. Moore and dont rely on Americas tribute to the world. Your glass is not only half full it is ignorant poison. Educate yourself before you pull off lies and indecent statements that reflect you 1% brain use. Please!
Do you honestly believe Bush let Osama leave the US on Sept 11? You have to be smoking bad upholstery!!!!
Posted by: Andrew on September 23, 2004 01:40 PM
I viewed the video knowing what it would hold. I was devasted to say the least. I don't know the answer to this kind of monster but I do know the people in the video should be stopped.....before killing again or even influencing anyone else. It's hard for me to believe that there is not one person or group that can stop them. This has had a tremendous effect on me and not having traveled abroad I am now truly aware of the priviledges allowed us in the U.S..........and I thank our soldiers with all my heart.............. To me this is about right and wrong....not politics
Posted by: Liane on September 23, 2004 02:39 PM
Padraig, I'm with you.
Andrew, your thinking is blinkered beyond belief. Don't call Padraig anti-american just because he thinks what the current administration perpertrates is not acting in the interests of America and the wider world.
There is much more going on underneath than meets the eye in this conflict and I for one don't belive Bush when he talks of democracy and freedom. The man is crooked.
Posted by: Matt Bing on September 23, 2004 03:09 PM
So I should believe the cabinet is full of conspiracy? You lend me to believe that bush is doing this to fatten his wallet. Give me some hard cold facts that show Bush is "crooked".
Belly aching liberals want another intern digger in the office rather than a man who would relieve a country of it's dictator. I am not blind to the fact that all has gone very wrong. So lets fix it. Lets not give it over to the French or other nations as Kerry would have done.
Lets not put a man that would go to war, wont go to war, I voted for it before I voted against it, flip flopper in office to degrade the nations military anymore than he already has.
Posted by: Andrew on September 23, 2004 04:11 PM
And on the darkest day the beast was created, for
he was one of the seven to have ruled a kingdom
but no kingdom shall he rule So he shall lay dormant in the shadows of all minds and linger int the depths of the seventh kingdom for on the day when all the heavens collided the beast shall rise to claim his kingdom and he shall impose on the weakest minds. For those will be his followers and they shall follow him to his destiny
which is one of destruction. For the Lord shall appear from the heavens. and there shall be a great war and the walls of the seventh kingdom will fall and the blood of the beast shall be spewed over the kingdom so shall his followers. for they have met there doom and the soldiers of the Lord shall lift the carcasses in victory and they shall reply,:DROP THEM SUCKERS IN THE MUD!"
Support our troops and pray all anger that man creates ends. Starting with our own backyard.
Posted by: mike on September 23, 2004 08:41 PM
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO NUKE THESE FUCKERS? GET RID OF THE SCUM OF THE EARTH
Posted by: Joel on September 23, 2004 09:32 PM
This was probably the most scary thing Ive ever seen. I was personally stab in the chest with a knife in a street fight and I lived through it. I was lucky. Nothing in this country can compare to the violence happening in the middle east. Certain people seem to think that this is not a religious issue. I hate to tell you this...but it is. I recenetly spoke to an expert on Islam and Shariah Law who teaches at a very prestigious university in California and he told me that this is perfectly normal in Islam. Not that it always happens. But the concept of decapitation and the execution style judgement is not a strange idea to those who understand the teachings of Islam and Muhammed, (remember that Muslims live by many books, it is very complex and the ones that hate us want to invade this country). Many Muslims will tell you that they do not agree with Jihad, those in the US would probably be the majority, but those who are not a part of our country do not feel the same. They are coming for us one way or another, lets be aware and do what we must to protect our children and our families.When you vote, vote to win the war and pray that God will come back for us soon.
Posted by: 9/11 on September 24, 2004 01:16 AM
OKAY SOMEBODY FOLLOW ME IF U CAN.
1 Osama Bin Laden attacked the WTC.
2 Osama is from and hiding in Afaganstan.
3 12 of the terrorists that were on the plane that attacked the WTC were from Saudi Arabia.
4 But the US declared war on Iraq. HUH???????
5 Not because of 9/11 but because of WMD's
6 The US never found WMD's in Iraq nor did congress prove Iraq was involved with 9/11.
7 Osama is still free
8 Terrorism is getting worse, just ask the people of Spain (suicide train bombing)
Russia (school massacre)
Iraq (over 30,000 civilian casualties)
North Korea has WMD's and has admitted it.
Iran has WMD's and the US knows it.
Genocide is running rampant throughout many African countries.
But the US ends up in IRAQ where the violence is getting worse. Bush said so himself.
Funny thing, last year Bush said the war is over, supposedly.
Bush has pie on his face and blood on his hands.
Posted by: GREG on September 24, 2004 06:47 AM
USA Foreign Policy is a disaster
USA Foreign Perception is a disaster
USA Foreign Free Trade deals area disaster
USA is it's worst own enemy.
IRAQ: point 1) USA invaded IRAQ to remove a president the teh USA helped put in. Point 2) People in Iraq against tanks, planes, rockets and bombs. Daft buch aren't ya, how in the heck did you think they'd fight for their beliefs...
with scarfs and shaking their fingers.
Get rid of Bush, he is an international disgrace. I personaly hope the war crimes tribunal takes a close look at his record.
Posted by: Mick on September 24, 2004 09:29 AM
Good thing I am not President...they would all meet their makers...
Posted by: Bill on September 24, 2004 11:21 AM
It's fairly obvious that most of the US/Bush detractors here have absolutely NO knowledge of History; U.S., World or Religious.
Read the Koran, as, collectively it states that for the "Believer" to ascend to heaven, for Armageddon to occur, the "Non-Believers" must be diminished. This is taught on any Friday, in most Mosques all over the world. It has been taught since about 750 AD . . .
If you believe this is a war over Politics and Oil that was started by "W" you need to be declared Loonier than Owlshit! Either that or you are Functionally Illiteriate!
Posted by: large on September 24, 2004 12:14 PM
Listen up MOFO's
I'm From Denmark...and yeah...sure i get PISSED and wants to myself, kill a bunch of "Sand niggers" When i see videos like theese. Dont Bring God into this...Cozz then we need allah 2. IMO we dont need any of them. Its so foolish to lay it all out on religions...He's will be done....what a fucking bullshit thing to say. Bush thinks of him self as the new holy shepard...all while blair being his sheepdog. Sometimes i cant believe that most american actually came from Europe!!!?? Clean up at home before you drag all ya "bad germs" across the oceans. Dont get me wrong... I TRULY have GREAT respect for things that originated in the US such as Computers, Movies & the Hamburger and so on.But that dosnt change the fact that MOST republicans still are cowboys. Nothing charming or romantic about it...just plain old "Do as I say or taste my 357"
Dont tell me That the people of Iraq are living like in the 750 AD When youre still not yourselves out of "the Wild wild west". I Remember growing up seeing movies about american highscools and being "popular" and all that crap. I really looked up to the amrican people and believed in the "american dream". I'm sorry to say that i dont any more becourse of people like bush.
Now dont sit there saying fuck Denmark...i certainly dont think that of the US...i think ALOT of good things comes from "over There" but seriously peeps....y0 need to clean up y0 act...dont sink to the level of extreme muslims...
Over 60 % of them dont know how to read or write...what do you ekspect from them...I remember a movie from the 80's called "White dog...trapped to kill" Actually its the same thing happening...only at a larger scale...that cant be denied.
Thx 4 Reading...
The Univers Bless y0 all (cozz God nor Allah Wont)
Posted by: BnZ on September 24, 2004 02:28 PM
I can not believe you people!! I can't believe myself, reading all these views and opinions!! To say the least, the issue of Iraq has the world shaking their heads! I do not care what the Koran says! Its bullshit!! There is only one True God and you fucking Muslims can't make up a new one!!!!!!!!! I'm angry at you people - this is YOUR war - not ours!! You should be bloody thankful we're there helping you out, inspite of 9/11!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: gb on September 24, 2004 02:49 PM
PS. BnZ - I like you!! You're pretty funny!! My employer is from Denmark and he's pretty funny too!!
Posted by: gb on September 24, 2004 03:48 PM
If anyone is a "pussy" or "pansyass" or controlling the world - its the extreme right-winged Muslims, who don't have a life, or a brain and haven't anything else to do but be destructive!!!! Rid the world of such animals!!
Posted by: gb on September 24, 2004 03:55 PM
You were probably the "large" guy with the knife that cut of Jack Hensley's head from his precious American body!! Only a Muslim could do such a thing. Why are so many Muslims "right wing"? How does that happen! Enlighten me!
Posted by: gb on September 24, 2004 04:37 PM
You disgust me with your arrogent and unimpressive voccabulary!! It takes more than that to make an intelligent soul!
Posted by: gb on September 24, 2004 04:39 PM
gb is very, very, heart broken and angry!
Posted by: gb on September 24, 2004 04:41 PM
This amazes me! I live in Marietta, Georgia and this is just too close to home. I will definitely keep the Hensley's in my thoughts and prayers. I am also very sorry that the daughter has to have this as one of her childhood memories! It just isn't fair and is very very sad to say the least!
It is very hard for me to comprehend that there are people (animals) in this world who are so evil.
Posted by: JB on September 25, 2004 09:51 AM
Has anyone else noticed that Jack Hensley's mouth was moving and his eyes were open when the scum that "sawed off" his head was holding it up, while blood dripped from him? He knew what had just happened, and he saw who did it! God Bless Jack Hensley! And comfort him and Mr. Armstrong!! May the Muslims who did this rot in a horrible hell! May they never know peace! Or happiness! May they be made to understand what they've done! And who and what they are. Those who have met such an execution are now in peace. Those who did it are not, and never will be. And may God forgive me for feeling the anger and hatred that I do right now!
Posted by: do on September 25, 2004 06:41 PM
hola!! yo soy mexicana,, y cuando vi el video se me parti el corazon,, no podioa creer lo que abia visto.. por mi parte lo ke pudo decir, es ke todo esto es estupido, nadie tien derecho tomar la vida de otras personas,, yo creo ke eso solo lo decide Dios.,, Bush,, no es culpable,, son todos akellso ke creen en las venganza,, pero aki esat la pregunta por ke estan luchando??? por tener mas teriorio , por ke??????? esto no tien sentido,, simplemente termina siendo personas ke se odian entre si,, y los inocentes ke?? todos akellos ke ahn sido asesinados, ke pasa kon ellos,,, yo creo ke aii ke dejar ir todo lo ke ya paso,, y empesar a tener una mentalidad limpia,, libre de rencores; se ke es mu dificl, pero pos todo se puede,, a mi no me gusat pensar asi: ojo por ojo, diente por diente,, asi nunca va a acabar todo,, la guerra,, ,, aber aki esta otra pregunta.. kien ace la guerra???? puess nosotros mismos,, con todos los recores y malos sentimientos,, pero pk no pensamos en nuestros hijos , lo que es mejor para ellos,, mm a lo mejor mucahs personas por pensar en su familia ayudan a ke la guerra continue, pk piensan ke en el futuro todo va a estar bien.. pero kien les asegura ke ellos no seran unos de las victimas de la guerra a la ke se esta induciendo.. ayy ke pensar con la cabeza fria,, no con la cabeza caleinte. y ke con todos los inosentes de alla de iraq.. tb ayy mcuhismas personas como ustedes, como nosotros ke no tienen nada kever con lo ke esta pasando entre los gobernantes,, ellso ke ,, es muy facil, buen no tanto solo tomar deciciones por todos los demas,, peor pues kien sufre las conecuencias son todas las personas que ni vela en el entierro tienen ,, meno.. ya no c ni lo quwe estoy diciendo, tengo tanto ke decir ke se me revuelbe todo.. mm. per., MI MAS SENTIDO PESASMA A TODAS LAS FAMILIAS QUE HAN PERDIDIO FAMILIARES, AMIGO O CONOCIDOS EN LA GUERRA, O EN MANOS DE PERSONAS QUE NO TIENEN COMPACION POR LOS DEMAS.. R.I.P ALL THE PEOPLE who WAS MURDER BY PERSoNS THAT DONT HAVE COMPAtION OF THE OTHERS, AND 4 THE FAMILY OF THE MURDER PEOPLE,, sorry 4 YOUR LOST.. be strong,, im praying 4 you.. and 4 all the hostages,,May God have mercy on us all.
Posted by: Ncca on September 25, 2004 07:23 PM
I think we should get together will all of the nations we are atpeace with and bomb the hole middle east with atomic bombs like we did Japan after earl harbor, It looks like that was pretty affective, Dont you think? We should have never went into Irac on the ground, We should have sat out in the ocean and luanched nuclear bombs on them until we did'nt see any signs of life left there, But we should have went to Afganistan first and then Irac.We knew what these people were capable of, we seen what Saddam did to his own people. I dont feel sorry for the people of Irac, It is there own fault. If one of our presidents were killing americans
Posted by: Jeff on September 25, 2004 09:03 PM
Yes! We should nuke all of Iraq - anniallate them all!! But! WE would also need to anniallate Iran, and most countries over there!! Their evil is capable to be born in any of them!! They are Muslims!! America rules! We are the best country on this planet!! Anytime another country or issue requires patience and love, America is there!! We are the chosen people! Go to hell all Muslims! Get out of our country!
Posted by: do on September 25, 2004 09:24 PM
God said in the Coran:
2190 . "Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you , but begin not hostilities . Lo! Allah loveth not , aggressors ".
ISLAM DENOUNCES WHAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE DOING.
THERE 'S A LOT OF BAD CHRISTIANS ,..NOT BECAUSE THE'RE BAD WE CAN SAY CHRISTIANITY IS BAD..!!
THAT GOES TO ALL RELIGIONS...
I FEEL BAD THAT THE WORLD HAVING BAD IDEA ABOUT ISLAM BECAUSE OF THIS WAR AND THOSE PEOPLE, MAY GOD GUIDE ALL OF US AND SHOW US THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT .
Posted by: ISSA BEN MARY on September 25, 2004 11:48 PM
I think that it is disgusting that there are people in this world who enjoy watching people getting their heads cut off. Our troops are worried about getting jail time for piling Iraqis naked on each other and these guys are getting medals for cutting someones head off. I dont care if you dont think we should be fighting this war or not. The least we can all do is pray for these people. The other sad thing is that there are gruesome killings going on like this in the U.S. Our streets arent safe anymore, everyone thinks problems are solved with guns and knives. I just worry that one day our country will be as bad as there country. I bet there would be alot of stupid people in this country that would be severly upset if we cut an Iraqi prisoners head off, why dont you people who would complain, start complaining about our troops getting their heads cut off instead of trying to say that its not there fault, we are illegally fighting them
Posted by: Levelland44 on September 25, 2004 11:57 PM
shalom everybody long live israel and the people of israel!
first i don't like what's happening in iraq and i think america is getting herself in very big troubles already 99% of the world hates this country ...america will do anything for us
300 billion dollars a yr ,weapons,security ,
we jews really aprecciate ..
but we afraid that the only country in the world that is helping us is going down,
drug problemes,..gays...75%of the kids don't have a father"bastards"....and many many reasons
not too long till usa will disapeare ,,
all the great nations end at one time or another
Posted by: eivel lieberman on September 26, 2004 12:09 AM
Posted by: michael dodson on September 26, 2004 12:27 AM
Yes, there are bad Christians, Isralites, etc., however, if you scroll up a ways, you'll read where a man asked his Muslim friend in California who works at a University there, that it is not unheard of in the Muslim world to be so judgemental against a neighbor and so hostile. You never hear of any other religion being so brutal. Why are all terrorists Muslim? And lets not forget that in one other country there are gays and naked women standing in windows for many a street. Or another country that kills it's female babies! There is too much focus on America and not on selves. The USA is being used as an escape goat for other countries so to not have to look at their own faults. Before 9/11, I knew nothing of Islam or Muslim or the Koran. I probably would have said that God comes to each of us in a different way. But I do not believe it is a mistake that all terrorists are Muslim or that these Muslims are so hostile, brutal, inhumane, judgemental and unfair. I despise how Muslims seem to treat their woman! In every Middle Eastern country! Woman are treated like dogs! How can you justify that? I don't want to hate Muslims, that isn't like me, however, it is becoming increasingly hard not too. Why is the Muslim "voice" not being heard, and heard LOUD speaking against 9/11 and these beheadings? The Muslim "voice" should be so loud that you can't even hear America's! And any or all of these terrorist acts in the name of Allah and Jihad? Are they embarrased? Ashamed? This is their issue and has been since 9/11. Those terrorists are the responsiblity of all Muslims and Islam! 9/11 and anything relating too thereafter, is the responsibility of the Muslim world. They are your thugs! Do something. Show us your merciful and loving God! Show us that you are a loving people and speak out loudly against these animals! And stop using the filths in America as a justification. There is not one other country so good and great as America! All throughout America's history, it has been not only extremely intelligent, kind, caring, compassionate, but also very civil. And like every country on this planet it has its faults, but you'll never find a heart bigger than that of an American! GOD BLESS AMERICA. IN GOD WE TRUST - not Allah! And in no way possible, does America deserve a moment of this which had been put on from the Muslim's Koran! I believe in one God, The Father the Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth. Of all that is seen and unseen! . . . . . for Thine is the Power and the Glory forever and ever. Amen!
Posted by: do on September 26, 2004 01:32 AM
How can you properly pray for these victims if you don't see the horrer they suffered? I don't think most people enjoy watching such unbelievable, freightning horror, but in watching it, it helped me to identify those poor people's suffering, and I can now pray properly for them! God be with them! May they be in peace and may they know the one's who did that to them will be judged accordingly.
Posted by: tim on September 26, 2004 01:54 AM
I am sick and fed up with ALL bashing of America and its people! The world knows America is an incredible, fascinating and wonderful country. I think it is only fair to look at the faults of each country! Because we all know that each country has its own filth! You think our Hollywood is so bad, yet, you should go to Europe and watch what is on there TV's. And America does not shove itself down anyone's throat. Millions and millions from around the world try like hell to come to this soil because they know it is a great and wonderful place! Stop bashing the USA! And start looking in the mirror!
Posted by: do on September 26, 2004 03:26 AM
first DO i think that you are little iggnorant for saying that all terrorists are muslims..::
maybe you should get out of your little world and look around you ..
and when we say america we don't mean the country..why do u relate yourself to THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY!! u are one little human that will die in no time you do not own nothing in this world!! just like the rest of us so you're the one who should be looking at the mirror ..
i know muslim woman they are satisfied with their lifes more than our woman here are..!!unfortunately..
i'm sure you don't even have a passeport ..
Posted by: eivel lieberman on September 26, 2004 04:30 AM
1916 . And make mention of Mary in the Scripture , when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East ,
1917 . And had chosen seclusion from them . Then We sent unto her Our spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man .
1918 . She said : Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee , if thou art God fearing .
1919 . He said : I am only a messenger of thy Lord , that I may bestow on thee a faultless son .
1920 . She said : How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me , neither have I been unchaste!
1921 . He said : So ( it will be ) . Thy Lord saith : It is easy for Me . And ( it will be ) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us , and it is a thing ordained .
1922 . And she , conceived him , and she withdrew with him to a place .
1923 . And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm tree . She said : Oh , would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught , forgotten!
1924 . Then ( one ) cried unto her from below her , saying : Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee ,
1925 . And shake the trunk of the palm tree toward thee , thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee .
1926 . So eat and drink and be consoled . And if thou meetest any mortal , say : Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent , and may not speak this day to any mortal .
1927 . Then she brought him to her own folk , carrying him . They said : O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing .
1928 . Oh sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot .
1929 . Then she pointed to him . They said How can we tale to one who is in the cradle , a young boy?
1930 . He spake : Lo! I am the slave of Allah . He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet ,
1931 . And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be , and hath enjoined upon me prayer and alms giving so long as I remain alive ,
1932 . And ( hath made me ) dutiful toward her who bore me , and hath not made me arrogant , unblest .
1933 . Peace on me the day I was born , and the day I die , and the day I shall be raised alive!
1934 . Such was Jesus , son of Mary : ( this is ) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt .
1935 . It befitteth not ( the Majesty of ) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son . Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing , He saith unto it only : Be! and it is .
Posted by: mwolf on September 26, 2004 04:35 AM
eivel lieberman . . . as a matter of fact just last week, a highly respected and well-known Muslim Journalist in Saudi Arabia has caused quite a stir in the Middle East because he published a column saying how tired and sad he is of the Muslim terrorists and that indeed, in Chenya, Turkey, you name it, all these terrorist acts are being carried out by left-wing, black Muslims. The journalist said he is tired of his own people giving him and his religeon a bad name! You have to admit the terrorist are Muslim and they are, in their minds carrying out a Jihad. Or is it because they just really don't have anything else to do? And Muslims are well known for their treatment to woman. Sorry but true. I think DO was, like so, so many people are, angry after watching such a horrific video of poor Mr. Hensley!
Posted by: yt on September 26, 2004 07:16 AM
I just watched the video of Mr. Hensly. I cied. I thought, how can one man do this to another man. No matter the reason this is the most offensive thing one human can do to another. There is only two things I can think of that would cause such an act and that is hate and fear. These two states of mind are almost always caused by the not knowing the person on a personal level. Had they got to know him they could not have possibly been able to do what they did. And the same goes for all of the comments I read after seeing the video. Almost everyone was full of hatred and fear. We would not be in Iraq today if we really knew those people on a personal level. I agree something had to be done with Saddam , he had to be taken out of power. He was and his sons were just plain phychotic, probably from fear and hatred of something or someone they didn't know. Whats happening now with our kill them and their kill us attitudes are going to put us all in hell. Lets stop and think before we make our next move. I have two small children can't stand the thought of their having to see the things I just seen when they grow up. It's a small enough world with the internet that we should be able to get to know each other on a more personal level. I am sure we all what the same things out of life no matter who we are or where in the world we live.
This is only one CANADAN opinion. Lets take the rest of our lives to make lives for the rest of our life.
Posted by: cashcow on September 26, 2004 09:14 AM
They killed Mr. Hensley, Mr. Armstrong, Mr. Berg and Mr. Paul Johnson because they were Americans or "infidels". They feel they have the "right" to judge others and decide their fate. These animals have to be insane as a sane human being could never do such a thing! God Bless these four Americans, the Turkish truck drivers and anyone who has to suffer such an ugly and terrible death. And Bless the Muslim religion as it has been hijacked by the insanities of these creeps. Zarqawi isn't even an Iraqi. He is a Jordanian with a life history of crime. He is a lost, insane animal!
Posted by: km on September 26, 2004 09:34 AM
Yes! I was angry and mortified. I could not believe my eyes! I can't imagine a mind that could do that to another person. I still do not know alot about the Muslims, but after calming down, regardless, I know all people count and should be free to live the life that God gave them! Except these animals and those like them. And yes, I do have a passport and have traveld across many an ocean and I would never go live in someone else's country and curse it while living there! Inspite of our problems here at home, the USA is still one of the finest countries to have the privledge to live in.
Posted by: do on September 26, 2004 09:56 AM
I believe that I do owe an apology to the Muslim people and religion for my angry outburst! I believe that I was in shock after watching the video! I will pray for forgivness for cursing Allah and Islam. There are two British Muslim men in Iraq now who are risking their lives to try and help Mr. Bigley and I will pray for their success and Mr. Bigley's safe return home.
Posted by: do on September 26, 2004 11:11 AM
these fucking animals deserve to be raped and sodomized while being force to watch there children set on fire and there women beat to death with the back end of claw hammer. yes that is barberism at best , and human nature at its worse. these cowards dont have courage to go after willing combatants so they behead the innocent in the name of allah, and arab/muslum countryies dont step up and to condem these action, so how can this be as anything other than holywar that was initiated under the facade of national security by our democraticly elected (not in florida though) president. we were attacted even before 9/11 as most people seem to always forget, wtc 1993, beirut 1984, us embassies in kenya and sudan 1997, uss cole in yemen 2000. the powers that be have long been asleep at the wheel for over the last 20 years. 2 months prior to 9/11 discovery channel had a documentary on how yusef ramsey was planning on hijacking airplanes and crashing them into goverment buildings, at least 12 airplanes . so if i knew about this im sure cia/fbi should have known also. but now were knee deep in the shit with no way out, i say vaporize the whole middle east as well as islam because there will never be anyother option, screw trying win there hearts and mines , lets blow out there brains and rip out there hearts cause 100 million other people out there who feel the same way, and if you dont you are sadly mistaken and disallusional.
Posted by: jay on September 26, 2004 02:36 PM
get all the sand NIGGERS IN THE USA
and the rest of the WORLD
i will do my part in my town
if you dont like the USA get the fuck out
we dont need you
Posted by: timbo on September 27, 2004 04:18 AM
this is to the guy that signs himself "i hate sandniggers".for one thing get an education as we are fighting in Irag NOT IRAN!!!and obviousely you are a racist and probably call black americans niggers.america cannot condemn these terrorists as it was just in the 60's that white american southerners were hanging and burning black americans.he without sin cast the first stone and it wont be an american that can!
Posted by: ken on September 27, 2004 05:14 AM
we need to stop hating our people, blacks and whites have always been in our country, we make the country. these others can be loved in their own country.
Posted by: ce on September 27, 2004 07:55 AM
We are fools of the greatest kind to not ship out ALL - male and female, young or old, good or bad middle easterners!! ALL!! Forever and ever as they could NEVER be trusted! That is what we did during World War II with the Japanese, we rounded every one of them up! How many of the middle easteners that are on our soil now are not here to be a good citizen, but are here plotting, taking pictures, spying, waiting for time to attack, etc? To keep them here is suicide!! Wake up Bush! Send them home and lock the borders!
Posted by: Post9/11 on September 27, 2004 09:56 AM
True! Their goal is to kill all of us! And their desire to do it is very strong, along with their capacity of insanity is enough to do it! And they may get away with killing alot of us, but they'll never win in the end! Such evil does not exsist among ANY loving God - a loving God could never conceive or even condone such filthy minds!
Posted by: yt on September 27, 2004 12:40 PM
Any of you FUCKS that see this video and still agree that we need to pull out of Iraq, you should be tied to a post and beheaded yourself. If you people want to bash america and president bush, that's your god given right....But go live in Iraq and hang out with these assholes and see how good you have it this country. ASSHOLES! GOD BLESS THE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: james degitz on September 27, 2004 02:19 PM
IF there is a God I'll bet he's plenty pissed.
Posted by: Terry Hensley on September 27, 2004 05:35 PM
I am really starting to wonder if being in Iraq is really worth it. Though I realize the resistance is a relatively low percentage of the population, the Iraqi people need to stand up for what they believe in. If they want freedom from these terrorists, then do something about it. You can’t tell me that nobody knows anything about the numerous bombings, kidnappings and beheadings. I’m sure it would be risky to come forward with information but then it’s also dangerous just to walk down the street. I can’t even begin to imagine what it would be like to live in a place where you are not sure if the car or person you are standing next to will explode and take your life. Hearing the news does nothing but make me more and more angry about the situation. The over 1,000 servicemen and women that have lost their lives fighting for the Iraqi people. The completely innocent civilian workers that are kidnapped and murdered. It’s all complete bullshit! I’m to the point where if the terrorist believe that it is a great honor to die for their cause, then lets speed the process up. Not just one taken out at a time when they blow themselves up taking innocent lives. Not one at a time when a soldier shoots them or a plane drops a bomb. Just flip the switch! Make them all go see Ala in a flash! Nuke their pathetic country and vaporize them. Make their precious country in to one big parking lot, no more bullshit!
Posted by: Chuck C on September 28, 2004 09:34 AM
Another thing that really grinds my ass is that these bastards don't even have the balls to show their faces and identify themselves. It's one thing to kill a man, but to look him in the eye while you're doing it is another. We found Saddam in a damn hole in the ground, Osama has to hideout in caves, these assholes dont even show their faces.......SOUNDS LIKE A BUNCH OF PUSSIES TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS THE USA!
Posted by: JD on September 28, 2004 03:28 PM
As a white middle class woman I have no power, yet I might one day.......
I have no way to protect my country, save my children from a horrific future.
I cannot buy what I want whenever I want.
I cannot walk safely anywhere I choose, nor can my children.
I cannot make a difference on anything.
I cannot save men from beheadings.
because I live in the USA.... AND am not black, red, samalian, asian, from pakistan, mexico, own a 7-11, live on a reservation.
I am handicapped because I am a white middle class woman.
I will cry tears for those who have been killed and their families.
I will pray for all the soldiers.
Tell me what else I can do to make a difference.
Give me some power and you will see then what this middle class white woman would do!!
Kill them one by one, until they are all gone.
Posted by: WICKEDWEBWEAVER on September 28, 2004 06:39 PM
I beg you all to stop this now it could be my son there some day, it could be any number of sons or daughters. But what is worse they are paying people to come there to do paper work and teaching them hand to hand combat so they may too loose there heads. It is not safe a hotel full of American's they are sitting ducks for future examples of how the can take lives at will. It is time to do something. The lunacy will never stop you can arrest, hunt down and kill their leaders and like cockroachers they arrive back again like varmin. These people don't care about anything or won't stop to save one of their own in the street during a raid. I for one am ashamed of my USA our Leaders have all said we are not going to put up with this September 11, and look at the killings since then. We have better technical support I agree get our people out of there and put a stop to it once and for all. God bless the families of those taken, in this war that was not ours. I will pray for you and those effected by suce gross neglagence.
Posted by: trish bourge on September 28, 2004 11:22 PM
Being a muslim I know this is a barbaric act of beheading inncoent civilians. In Islam THIS IS NOT ALLOWED. Who ever is involved in this is EITHER NOT A MUSLIM or DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS ISLAM. They SHOULD & MUST STOP IT IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE ANGER OF ALLAH GETS THEM. In my opion they are following the path of SATAN (Shaitaan) and not of Allah. As Allah did not commend any muslim to kill any civilian non-muslim the way they are doing. "IF" they are Muslims then they MUST STOP this barbaric & pathetic act immediately.
Posted by: Ahmad Jamil on September 29, 2004 08:46 AM
If any of those so-called-muslims involved in this barbaric act read my comments, I hereby invite them to exchange mails & convince me if Islam allows them to kill civilians like that, no matter which religion they belong to. But I think they will not do so, as they know what they are doing is totally forbidden in Islam. If any of you who is involved in this pathetic act read my comments, please for sake of Allah stop it before we all Muslims pay for your deeds in the court of Allah. This is not what our Prophet taught us, this is what which is given to you by SATAN. Plz if you are True Muslims, u must know killing civilians, women, children even in the state of War is not allowed then how can you commit such a BIG SIN & CRIME?? I must say EITHER YOU ARE NOT MUSLIMS or YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT PROPHET TAUGHT US & WHAT ALLAH WANTS FROM US. Allah wants us to help each other to establish & practice PEACE. Till the date nationalism is followed by Muslims this will happen & the day Muslims will start following ISLAM no one will be able to attack any muslim country.
Posted by: Ahmad Jamil on September 29, 2004 08:56 AM
The acts that have been carried out in these videos are so horrific and barbaric that it is impossible to imagine for anyone living in the "civilized" world; however, why is it that no one is placing any blame on the television stations that are airing such acts of cowardess in their prime time slots over in the Middle East? These television stations are just, if not more, responsible for the continuing kidnappings, beheadings, and other horrors that have been brought against the American people working in Iraq than the kidnappers themselves. By giving these "people" so much attention, the media will only continue to propogate such behaviour. There is no person that deserves to die like that, and Al-Jezeera has NO RIGHT to profit off of it, copyright the images, or continue to feed the fires of terrorist sleeper groups by giving them so much attention. In truth, giving them such publicity should be considered an act of terrorism itself. If the interim Iraqi government TRULY wants to work towards peace, they should deal with their media, and the media stations in the nations that surround them, and order that NO such images be permitted and they should place SEVERE penalties on those who violate the order. If these groups, and their so-called "causes" receive no attention, or recognition, would the kidnappings and brutal killings simply just not come to an end? Regardless of what demands were made, and whether or not said demands could be met, Jack Hensley's life was over the moment the media made his kidnappers into prime time stars. And what for? Does Al-Jeezera truly believe in the kidnapper's message, or are they simply trying to make a buck off of the advertising? These mid-eastern media "blood hounds" should be stopped from continuing their hunt, lest we lose more good people, like Mr. Hensley.
Posted by: Made You Think on September 29, 2004 11:56 AM
What is there more to say about these savages that hasn't already been said? They're barbaric and we worry about being sensitive to their kind? As a democracy we are great and weak in many ways. We have ridiculous laws that state we cannot execute wanted foreign criminals. If Clinton hadn't been literally dickin around, 9/11 would not have happened. On the stance of terrorism. Previous presidents have all been reactive to situations. George Bush for one has the balls to be proactive and realizes what the rest of the morons complaining against this war should realize... that we need to take a stand and let the scum of the earth know that they are not safe anywhere, anytime. That we are after them and that we will always be after them. That they cannot hurt innocent people as they please without consequence. Of all of you protesting this war... how many of you were in NY after 9/11 to see the devastation and grief-stricken families and carnage? Did you volunteer? This wonderful country offers you the very chance to exercise your opinions no matter what they are and this is given to you through the blood shed by our military. Our freedom came with a price in 1776 and it still has a price even today. Support the military and the eradication of this scum without a soul and without a religion. No Allah or God condones this type of violence. God save us all if Kerry gets elected...
Posted by: taz on September 29, 2004 01:17 PM
I think this is so sick. No one is doing anything about it because if they were this would not still be happening. I think it is because no one cares about what us as americans think about this war. We are the ones that have to pay for this war in more than one way....by us dying...paying for those sicks fuckers to behead us americans caught in that sick and twisted country. We need to blow up that country and NEVER LOOK BACK. None of those people over there deserve to live other than the americans that are stuck over there because bush has NO BALLS to handle it himself. I pray every night that that country is blowen off the face of the map.
Posted by: Reed on September 29, 2004 03:24 PM
I think this is so sick. No one is doing anything about it because if they were this would not still be happening. I think it is because no one cares about what us as americans think about this war. We are the ones that have to pay for this war in more than one way....by us dying...paying for those sicks fuckers to behead us americans caught in that sick and twisted country. We need to blow up that country and NEVER LOOK BACK. None of those people over there deserve to live other than the americans that are stuck over there because bush has NO BALLS to handle it himself. I pray every night that that country is blowen off the face of the map.
Posted by: Reed on September 29, 2004 03:24 PM
This is one of those things that I'm glad I had the opportunity to see, but wish I didn't watch it after I did. I sit hear writing this with tears rolling down my eyes........I'm in shock. It's truly sad, and I couldn't imagine being his family. I try to put myself in his mother's place and imagine if that were my son, and my heart is crying for her. When will this shit end?
Posted by: Miss Jones on September 29, 2004 11:27 PM
A Statement by the
International Association for Muslim Scholars (IAMS)
The Islamic View on Hostage Taking
ِِA picture of one of the captives in Iraq
The following is a statement issued by the International Association for Muslim Scholars (IAMS)regarding the recent incidents of kidnapping and hostage taking. The IAMS was founded in London, July, 2004, by Sunni and Shiite scholars with the aim of forming an international Muslim juristic consensus that goes beyond sectarian affiliations. The IAMS is headed by Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi.
Kidnapping and hostage taking are not an invention of our particular times. They go back long in history. But they have become so frequent these days because of the grave injustice suffered by weak and oppressed communities at the hands of powerful countries seeking to impose their will on them. Moreover, these oppressed communities seldom have adequate means and resources to repel aggression. Since some Muslims resort to such methods, at an increasing rate, thus going beyond the limits of what is lawful, we wish to clarify the Islamic perspective related to the matter. This ruling, or fatwa, sums up all the Islamic rules that apply to such acts:
Kidnapping is an aggression against others, be they Muslims or non-Muslims. It is a type of transgression which God has prohibited, as the Qur’an reads: [Surely Allah enjoins the doing of justice and the doing of good (to others) and the giving to the kindred, and He forbids indecency and evil and rebellion] (An-Nahl 16:90). It is well known that the order to ensure justice, extend kindness and be generous to one’s kindred is not limited to Muslims only. Similarly, the prohibition of what is shameful, reprehensible conduct and transgression applies to all humanity. Even though man, by nature, tends to fight any aggression inflicted upon him, God permits the repelling of aggression by parallel, proportionate means only. This is stated in the Qur’an: [Whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of your duty) to Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil)] (Al-Baqarah 2:194); [And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits] (Al-Baqarah 2:190). God also makes it clear that religious differences do not justify aggression against anyone, even though they may reach the stage of open conflict: [Let not hatred of a people—because they hindered you from the Sacred Masjid—incite you to exceed the limits] (Al-Ma’idah 5:2).
Taking prisoners is an act done in warfare. If it could be exceptionally permissible during war, it is totally forbidden in all other situations whatsoever.
God also makes it clear that religious differences do not justify aggression against anyone, even though they may reach the stage of open conflict.
In his commentary on the Qur’an, At-Tabari quotes the following hadith: “The Prophet came to Makkah to perform `Umrah. Some Companions arrested some local people, taking them as prisoners while they were unaware. The Prophet ordered their release.” We see that the Prophet did this, releasing unbelievers who were taken prisoner, because he did not consider himself in a state of war with the unbelievers, as his purpose was to offer the `Umrah.
Similarly the Prophet did not sanction what one of his Companions, Salamah ibn Al-Akwa’, did when he kidnapped four unbelievers after the signing of the peace treaty at Al-Hudaybiyah. Salamah did so thinking that the unbelievers had already violated the peace treaty. The Prophet, however, said, “Leave them so that they will be the ones who initiate evil and repeat it.”
Initiating aggression is not a part of Muslim ethics. It must never be characteristic of Muslims. Muslims may repel evil with a similar measure, but their purpose in doing so is not to retaliate; rather, it is to bring evil actions committed against them to an end, attempting to end evil against all humanity. The Qur’an demonstrates that the best method to ensure the prevention of evil is to call upon people to pursue forbearance and forgiveness—as the best way to fight animosity: [And not alike are the good and the evil. Repel (evil) with what is best, when lo! he between whom and you was enmity would be as if he were a warm friend] (Fussilat 41:34). [Repel evil with that which is best] (Al-Mu’minun 23:96). Muslims are described in the Qur’an as those who [repel evil with what is good] (Ar-Ra`d 13:22 and Al-Qasas 28:54).
The Qur’an demonstrates that the best method to ensure the prevention of evil is to call upon people to pursue forbearance and forgiveness.
Based on that, therefore, we declare that is it is forbidden to kidnap any human being in any situation whatsoever, other than in an open warfare situation, when the person kidnapped becomes a prisoner of war—and even in that case—he must not be killed. Indeed, even a prisoner of war must eventually be released, as the Qur’an states [either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates] (Muhammad 47:4). Needless to say, it is forbidden to kidnap anyone who is opposed to a war launched against us, or is sympathetic towards us, such as the two French journalists. We denounce all cases of kidnapping where the victims have nothing to do with the occupation of Muslim land. We demand an immediate and unconditional release of all people taken as hostages.
Even in the case of war, it is not permissible to kidnap innocent people or civilians, who must not be a war target, to begin with. From an Islamic point of view, civilians are all those who are non-combatants, such as women and children, as well as the elderly who have no role in the fighting, and men of any religion. The Prophet has given an express order “not to kill women and children.” He also said, “Do not kill any young person.” In an order to Khalid ibn Al-Waleed, the army commander, he said, “Never kill a child or a labor worker.” This last order includes anyone employed in non-combat capacity, such as factory workers, medical personnel, and the like. The Prophet also made clear the prohibition of killing any elderly man, priests, or hermits dedicated to worship. The same prohibition of killing elderly men is confirmed by Abu Bakr. Moreover, Jabir ibn `Abdullah, one of the Prophet’s Companions, is quoted as saying that Muslims “did not kill the merchants among the unbelievers.” The majority of scholars in the Hanafi, Maliki and Hanbali schools of Islamic law extend this prohibition, on the basis of analogy, so as to include other non-combatants, such as those who are physically or mentally handicapped, those who lock themselves in a house or a church, laborers, farmers, and other tradesmen and craftsmen. Imam Ash-Shawkani has formulated a clear rule of analogy on this particular issue. This rule makes clear that “it is unlawful from the Islamic point of view to kill anyone who is of no benefit to the enemy and cannot do the Muslims any harm.”
Therefore, we denounce taking school children as hostages in the school in North Ossetia, leading to a horrific massacre, despite the fact that we believe the Chechens have a just cause and that the Chechen people should be able to exercise their right to self-determination. We also denounce the kidnapping of two Italian women working for a humanitarian agency at the same time that we condemn the Italian government’s policy of alliance with the US aggression against Iraq. All such incidents are unlawful from the Islamic point of view. In addition, such incidents do not serve the interests of resisting the occupation of Iraq. We should remember in this connection that when the Quraizhah Jews committed a horrific act of treachery, violating their peace treaty with the Prophet and allying themselves with the aggressors who had declared their aim of annihilating the Muslim community, such treachery did not cause the Muslims to kill Jewish women and children or expose them to any danger.
Therefore, we denounce taking school children as hostages in the school in North Ossetia… the kidnapping of two Italian women working for a humanitarian agency…
Should taking prisoners take place during war, those who are imprisoned become prisoners of war and must be treated according to the relevant Islamic rules, which can be summarized as follows:
Prisoners of war must be handed over to the Muslim authorities to determine what is to be done with them. Those who actually take them as prisoners or keep them do not have any authority over them and cannot determine their fate.
It is an important Islamic duty to treat prisoners of war kindly and gently, be hospitable to them, and provide them with food and clothing. They must never be subjected to ill-treatment or torture. The Qur’an says, [And they [i.e., the believers] give food out of love for Him to the poor and the orphan and the captive] (Al-Insan 76:8). The Prophet gave this general order: “Be sure to treat the captives kindly.” He is also reported to have said “Be kind to your prisoners, and let them have their afternoon rest, and provide them with water to drink.” He is also reported that the Prophet ordered that the prisoners should not suffer from the heat and the tiresomeness of carrying their arms to battle. After the Battle of Badr, the Prophet ordered that those unbelievers who were taken captive should be treated kindly. Complying with his order, the Companions of the Prophet gave the captives their food before they themselves ate.
Eventually, according to Islam, captives must be released, either by an act of grace that requires nothing in return, or in return for ransom, which could be monetary, through prisoner exchange, or in the form of a service they render to the Muslim community. The Prophet asked some of those taken prisoner at the Battle of Badr to teach some Muslims reading and writing in return for their release. That prisoners of war must be released is clearly stated in the Qur’an: [So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates] (Muhammad 47:4). The Prophet put the instructions contained in this verse in practice until the end of his life. Indeed, scholars rule that it is forbidden to kill a war captive in principle. In his book, Bidayat Al-Mujtahid, Ibn Rushd says, “A number of scholars say that it is not permissible to kill a captive. Al-Hasan ibn Muhammad At-Tamimi says that it is the unanimous view of the Prophet’s Companions.” In his commentary on the Qur’an, Ibn Kathir states, “Scholars say that the Muslim ruler’s only choice is to set captives free, either as an act of grace or in return for ransom, but it is prohibited to kill a captive.” Al-Alousi says, “The apparent meaning of the Qur’anic verse is that it is forbidden to kill a person after taking him prisoner. This is also the ruling expressed by Al-Hasan.”
“Be kind to your prisoners, and let them have their afternoon rest, and provide them with water to drink”, a hadith.
Based on the above, we say that a captive can only be killed in exceptional circumstances, by an order of the head of the Muslim state made on the basis of a court sentence. The groups operating within the armed resistance to the occupation of Iraq or elsewhere do not have the right to exercise the power of the head of a Muslim state. Moreover, killing captives is bound to have adverse effects on the resistance to the occupation, and dishonors the cause of the Iraqi people and their struggle. We, therefore, condemn the killing of the Nepalese workers and other captives who did not take part in the war. If it were true that they provided service to the occupation forces, even so, such service does not justify their killing.
Moreover, killing captives is bound to have adverse effects on the resistance to the occupation, and dishonors the cause of the Iraqi people and their struggle.
It is unlawful from the Islamic point of view to take enemy civilians as hostages and threaten to kill them in retaliation for any action or inaction carried out by someone else, especially when the hostages are not responsible for such an action and cannot prevent it. This applies to the case of the school in North Ossetia where school children and teachers were held hostage. This prohibition is based on two factors:
One of the basic principles of justice is that no one should be held accountable for someone else’s action or offence. This cardinal Islamic principle is emphasized in several verses of the Qur’an, such as [and no soul earns (evil) but against itself, and no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another] (Al-An`am 6:164); [No laden soul can bear another’s load] (Al-Israa’ 17:15); [Whoever does good, it is for his own soul, and whoever does evil, it is against it] (Fussilat 41:46); [Whoever does evil, he shall be requited with it] (An-Nisaa’ 4:123). The Prophet emphasized this in several traditions, such as “Anyone who commits an offense will be the only one to bear its consequences.” “No one shall bear responsibility for another’s crime.” A number of statements by the Prophet make clear that non-Muslims who have a treaty with Muslims must never be killed, such as “Whoever kills a man bound with a treaty, without valid cause, shall never be allowed even the smell of Heaven.”
In war time, it may happen that some civilians are killed as a result of some operations, as in the case of a raid launched against an enemy concentration resulting in the death of some people nearby. Scholars say that this is acceptable provided that it is unintended. But to deliberately kill civilians is certainly forbidden. How, then, can the murder of captives in cold blood be justified when enemy civilians may not be targeted even in war time?
“Whoever kills a man bound with a treaty, without valid cause, shall never be allowed even the smell of Heaven”, a hadith.
As Muslims we should take the upper moral grounds and not lower our ethical conduct into the wanton level of the occupation forces in Iraq, which has so far killed thousands of Iraqi civilians, including large numbers of women, children, and elderly people, under the pretext of fighting the resistance to their occupation.
It is incumbent on all Muslims to observe the Islamic rules summarized above.
Allah, majestic in His praise, knows best.
The International Association for Muslim Scholars
Posted by: isaa on September 30, 2004 03:47 AM
That above is the largest crock of bull I have read in a long time. Kill them one by one until they are all gone. I cannot stand to see "those" type of people in my Country, the USA, not one more day, not one more hour. Cutting off peoples heads........... give me a dull deer antler and the opportunity and I would love to let them feel such pain. Come on President Bush.... finish this damn mess !!!
Posted by: WICKEDWEBWEAVER on October 1, 2004 05:38 PM
I oppose Islam! And the Qur'an! There is only one true God and only "one" "way" to the true God! The true God says "love thine enemy!" I find it odd that most Muslims are barbaric and that the Qur'an seems to breed evil! The Muslim above this message forgets that it was the Muslims who attacked first - remember 9/11? Therefore, per the Qur'an's scriptures, America and all countries in Iraq are in accordance to Allah!!!! So eat it! You attacked us! The Holy Christian Bible says to be patient with the evil, for their hearts can be warmed! It does not say "cut off their heads"!! The Qur'an apparently has many contridictions and many faults! The Christian Bible does not! And unlike the Qur'an the Christian Bible can not be proven wrong! Just try it!
Posted by: Iopposeislam on October 2, 2004 03:46 AM
The Islamic / Muslim people seem to be out of control. God help them, because God Knows of their stupidity! Their iggnorances, and their faults. They started this war. And it is not the fault of the USA that their countries are so poor and oppressed! It is their own faults. When will they stop blaming and start taking responsibility? Maybe they should be attacking their own. And saw off the heads of their own people! Go home all Muslims!
Posted by: crazed on October 2, 2004 04:18 AM
I am so grateful that the Qur'an is not my Holy Scriptures. God help me if it were!
Posted by: crazed on October 2, 2004 04:26 AM
To Isaa, who seems to feel that poisening the world with Islam is acceptable! How dare you barf such nonsense! If you believe that God condones in any way the Qur'an then you are evil! In no way does the "True God" condone the Qur'an, or Islam, or your beliefs or your ways of life! Your God says to "behead" any one you choose! The "True God" would never suggest such evil! NEVER! For whatever reason! NEVER! Islam is a lie! Wake up people! Just look at their countries! They haven't ever been able to rise above oppression or evil! Why do you suppose that is? Because Islam is a lie! Islam hasn't ever progressed into a civilized, decent culture. Never in history! Come Jesus now and wipe the world clean of Islam. And bring Peace on earth! Once and for all! Islmamist-Muslims should be glad we are a Christian culture, or we would have done things their way and erased them from this planet two years ago after September 11, 2002! Which by-the-way we have the ability to do, but because we are a civil and intelligent culture, we choose pity for the iggnorent and filthy! I want nothing to do with the "Qur'an"! Keep it to yourselves!
Posted by: To Isaa on October 2, 2004 02:50 PM
As Muslims, you sure as hell took the "upper moral ground". So high that the only place to go now is down! What the hell is wrong with you people? Bazare! You are most Bazare! I too am very grateful that I am not lost in Islam!
Posted by: pissedoff on October 2, 2004 06:55 PM
We as American's also have to look at what our gov't has done to spur on terrorism towards us. Muslim's have been around for over 1000 years but only recently has the idea of Islam and terrorism been connected. I would say this spurred from the creation of Israel, and the displacement and killing of thousands of palestinians. I don't know if anyone else is as old as I am, but I can remember a day when movies were created with muslims and the middle east being mysterious and exciting. Only recently have we seen the trend of all terrorist being Muslims. I also remember a time when their were a boat load of jewish terrorist, but I know for a fact Judaism doesn't condone terrorism. Which brings me to my next point.
I believe it is wrong to equate Islam and terrorism...they are two very different things. It would almost be like equating christianity and kkk. The KKK burnt crosses and killed black people b/c they thought it was their christian duty. They consisted of a minority of people that had control for a long time in the US.
Also, I noticed someone stating the bible says to love thine enemy, so why are you so hateful towards Muslims? As a christian I thought you were supposed to turn the other cheek, so why are you fighting back? I thought when Jesus was attacked he didn't throw a punch he used his words.
What I know of Islam it doesn't teach muslims to go out and attack but to only fight back when someone is hurting them physically or preventing them to practice their religion. In many Muslim countries there are christians and jews living happily there so obviously true Islam does not condone killing innocent people. From the muslims I have spoken to, they do not condone terrorism against civilians, but they do see the US army as an enemy so killing a man that has a gun pointed at you is okay. Most terrorism has not sprouted due to the fact of muslims hating Christians, it is men and women who have been oppressed in their countries due the US, Israeli, French, British, etc. gov. You must also remember that many of these terrorist families have been annihilated by the governments mentioned and I can only imagine what I would do after seeing my entire family killed or suffering. Of course, this does not condone killing civilians, but sometimes one has to step in the enemies shoes to understand what possibly is going through there head.
We as American's have to make sure we are not completely pointing our finger saying its all their fault. After seeing those video's I was the same way, my first reaction was disgust and hatred. My next response was to ask what led these men to do something so violent and hurtful. How could a human being that has many of the same thought processes as my own do something like this. Obviously, it has to be something close to Insanity...no religion in the world would condone this brutality...not even Islam. This Insanity has partially been brought on by the support of Palestinians being kicked out of their homes, killed, and oppressed in tiny sectors of their country. These terrorists are related to many of the people who have been killed or are very close friends to them. Many of them live in a country where they see children dying and people being blown up on a daily bases. When you push this kind of environment on a person there is no telling what kind of violence they will retaliate with and I think we are seeing the results of the mistakes we made as a country a few decades ago.
Anyway, sorry if my thoughts were a little dispersed. Again, in no way do I condone terrorism or what is going on in the world right now, but I would like to show that there just isn't one bad guy here. I believe for the US to protect itself and to fix the world, it must fix itself first.
Posted by: Stephanie on October 2, 2004 11:51 PM
I am still shoked out of what i have seen but logically saying what would such a gang be convinced to do such a thing ?? I believe that most of them are suffering that one of there relatives has died in the war against Iraq that bush held without a sensible reason , it is the Oil war , but alot of Amiricans lost thier lives out of this stupid war , what has the war made for America ? it made all the islamic world against us , and there will be even more actions against us , so lets try to look for the final solution , we will never be able to destroy the Islamic world , they exist and we have to deal with them in a sensible way .
Posted by: Basel on October 3, 2004 01:09 AM
Jesus did say "turn the other cheek", however, I remember one Sept. morning when America was going about it's business when two airplanes full of people rammed into two different buildings full of people, and the Pentagon, and another into the ground! The plane that went into the Pentagon was full of young children from a Washington DC classroom. And then to have Isaa up above preach "islam". What kind of "religion" promotes such filth as beheading? And hijacking airplanes? I am the first to admit that Bush was/is an idiot for going into Iraq, as I don't feel Iraq had anything whatsoever to do with that terrible Sept. morning. What was he thinking? Still . . .. don't post such absolute horror on the web and then preach Islam to me! I am sorry that after World War II the British separated that country into what it is, but also remember Hitler and his blood thirst for Jews? So I am grateful that Isreal was created. I am sorry that the Palastinians and Isreal have known so much war, but I ask you what that has to do with the USA? They all had an opportunity to make a peaceful land, county and life. I am so tired of the world blaming the USA for the world's faults, and deaths, and destruction, etc. And yes there was the kkk, but the American people did not accept it did they? And eventhough the kkk still exists, it is nothing, nothing like it was in the 60's because America will not stand for it! A kkk member is shunned and pucked upon! And I pitty their souls as I do for the men who killed Mr. Hensley! And it seems to me (Isaa's message for example) that more and more Muslims are beginning to excuse and justify such behavior. I say "NO THANKS to Islam! And as an American I am sick of being forced to take responsibility for their self destructive beliefs! Go Home all Muslims! Get out of this country. We are not the same. Go home and self-destruct on your own soil! And let America deal with it's own issues without your Islam! We are a Christian culture that is being poisend by Islam. More and more Muslims are coming to this country, European countries and many more, and it seems that as they do, the world is becoming uglier and uglier. Sudan, Russia, Turkey, etc. Islam obviously is a violent religion. Wake up people. Call it what it is! Death! These people live to die and they want to take you with them! For every peaceful Muslim, go home and heal your people. Teach them how to survive in a diverse world. But do not try to convert me. And until you can find "Humility" and Self responsibility, do not bring your problems or your beliefs to my home! Jesus also said, "there is but only one True God"! Only One! None of this is even about religion though, it is about human iggnorance! And the lack of proper use and interpretation of one's own religion. And that religion is Islam! Heal your people and stop killing innocent Americans and any other people! Because killing us is not going to take away your poverty, your crime, or your pain. Your killing is only turning the world against you and I cannot believe that your Allah is happy about that!
Posted by: crazed on October 3, 2004 05:31 AM
America is not an Islamic country dammit! Muslims go everywhere but home for their education, careers, medical assistance. And then they have the "gall" to insult the American way of life! After "free-loading" from her. Why can't they provide those things for themselves? Because they are so busy killing each other and destroying their opportunities to have such things. As well as killing innocent people everywhere! Don't blame America for their problems! Or the British! Or Isreal! Or any other country. Get out of ancient times and let them start dealing with their own issues! Why do you think America is in Iraq? To eliminate savages, at the cost of our own people, so that they might have education, economy, medical intelligence, etc. Maybe if the Muslim world was more civilized they could rise above their depressions! America was forced to defend herself! Forced! Remember 9/11? And per Islam, take action when attacked! Stop their whining and I will not feel sorry for savages! Do not excuse or justify what they have created. Look at what these people are doing in Sudan! Look at how they are wiping out women and children who only live to find food? What chance do they have? Give me a break! America did not cause the Muslim's plite! They did! And they are needing to blame someone. So blame the USA who is a prosperous, intellingent, decent and a civil country! Not perfect! But hard working and always striving to move forward and beyond. We at least have the ability to look at our own faults so to correct them. How wonderful is that? God did Bless America! Land of the Free. At least we are allowed to make mistakes and learn from them, and women don't have to cover their faces and be treated like dirt! Read your "Declaration of Independence" "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their "Creator" with certain unalienable rights, that among these are "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"! "So I say go to Iraq and any other country that might threaten this great way of life that was so God given and fight like hell to protect it! And spread Freedom all over this earth! And may someday (in Heavan probably) may the Muslim culture know peace and happiness! And stop their killing!
Posted by: cmj on October 3, 2004 07:15 AM
At least in America we can "sing" "pray" and more importantly "own" our own faults and therefore be freed of them! I love America and Americans! Unlike the suppressed countries we are allowed "The Fire Inside" There is no way you can "hide the God-given "fire inside"". A God Givin Flame! Let it burn. Burning you up! There is no way you can hide the "fire" inside! And only in American can you let your fire burn! You can not be denied the "fire inside' and THAT is what is wrong in the Middle Eastern countries- you kill your own flame and therefore your own spirits! You can cut off our heads but you can not stop the "Flame"!!"Don't bring it to our soil! Or to our people! Jack Hensley, my heart and prayres are with you and your family. But remember, your family is "America" and we are with you! These savages will go to hell!
Posted by: cmj on October 3, 2004 10:09 AM
Only In America can one "burn a fire" from oil stolen over seas !!! So shut ya fucking Pie-Hole CMJ....
Bush is NOT the second comming of messiah though Blair is his sheepdog
Posted by: BnZ on October 3, 2004 04:10 PM
Dear BnZ: I know from your previous messages that you are from Denmark and I'm sorry, I know you mean to be serious but I find you to be so "funny". I enjoy your humor. I also know that Denmark is a very small country, hardly on the planet, and if you were as big and as significant as the USA you would be getting darts thrown at you! What signifcance does Denmark play in the "big picutre"? So please, you shut your pie hole, you MOFO! Its so easy to sit in your comfy little corner and point fingers! What the hell has America done to you? And what is it, as a Western culturer, that you do not see? Why and how do you support these savagaes? Some day it's going to be your country that they bomb and attack! Then you'll look to America to protect you and help you out! What about the French and the Food for Oil? I don't support Bush, but that does not take away from the real issues! America has, unrightfully so, been attacked by these savages and you! If you don't like America then don't drink "Coke" or "Pepsi" or sleep under the blankets that you do, or even watch television, and don't come to our country to see a doctor, or get educated! Or find the career of your dreams! Don't move you and your 20 family members here to take jobs that rightfully belong to Americans! Thank you BnZ, I am no longer a fan of Denmark! A bunch of self-rightous woosies!
Posted by: cmj on October 3, 2004 07:06 PM
PS. BnZ, where do you get your oil? From the French?
Posted by: cmj on October 3, 2004 07:20 PM
Anyone who doesn't support our President...get the hell out of this country!
Anyone who doesn't work and is on welfare...draft them and send them to Iraq to earn my hard earned money they are stealing!
Anyone who doesn't want to be in Iraq...let them come home!
Anyone who wants to stay and kill every male in that damn place...you have my support and prayer!
Anyone that cuts off anyones head...let them be blinded and wander aimlessly until anyone who wants to kill them, does!
If I was not just another middle class white woman living in the USA, I would pray for the strength to get rid of those bastards in Iraq myself.
Kill all males, 1 by 1 and let the women birth humans instead of animals.
I know men that are soldiers in Iraq and I want them to return...alive.
What can I do to help?
Let me know!
Posted by: WICKEDWEB on October 4, 2004 03:29 PM
It amazes me how seemingly intelligent people can resort to derogatory remarks when confronted with this kind of issue. It shows a lack of intellegence if you need to use such low class labels, such as "sand nigger". and promising to "get" the ones in your town is just plain nonsense. You had better hope that the tables are not turned and someone with power decides to start rounding up all the people such as yourself. I'll bet you'd take a helping hand from a "sand Nigger" or any other human being if you were the one being hunted. Judge each individual for themselves.
Posted by: cindy on October 4, 2004 11:03 PM
If the tables were turned and the man being hunted was indeed being hunted for cutting another mans head off, that hunted man would not have a "sand nigger" or any other person extending a hand to help him. Why is it that "they" can selfishly take another mans life, our brothers, our sisters, our sons, our daughters, whoever and you defend them? "They" want to stick together, "They" should be disposed of together. "They", 1 by 1 must be eliminated to eliminate all fear that "We" feel. If you don't fear "Them" you are foolish. "They" are taking over and have proven to be very violent and deadly. If you won't save yourself, then save me or someone else you know, who deserves a life without fear. Do something, instead of just complaining about "words" people use. Save your own head, you could be next!
Posted by: WICKEDWEB on October 5, 2004 03:29 PM
This was an awful crime committed against a human-being. Regardless of religion, race, or sex this was just some sick sh#@. ...the fact it was done by a muslim, shouldnt label muslims as the only terrorists thou.. or did we forget oklahoma, and the olympics in atlanta...people in general are rebelling against the US because the govt is fcked up...with a chip on it's shoulder.
Posted by: jerzeeslugga on October 6, 2004 08:49 PM
I've seen all the videos of these unGodly acts, starting with Nick Berg, and I went through many emotions, from being physically ill, crying, to so much anger. I can't imagine anyone being this cruel and hating someone so much to want to do this kind of thing to another person. I visited many websites, looking for an answer. I came across a site that brought up a lot of questions and really made you think about the videos I watched. I don't understand why they didn't fight, I mean you never see them move at all. Even during the act they kind of just fell over. OMG if that was me, I don't care if I was shackled or not, I"d be thrashing all over the place. Made me wonder if they were even alive when this took place. Cuz not a one of them muslims have any blood on them at all. If they were alive it would be all over that room do to their heart pumping it. And if they weren't alive, then why make a video like that? And why is the first video came out just after there was a big ordeal about americans humiliating POW's. Don't get me wrong, no matter what this was horrific and they need to be stopped. I don't know I was just reading a website for fox news and it brought a lot of questions up. It really made me wonder about the the authencity of the videos and what really is going on. All I know is I'm scared to death for our people over there, but I"m more scared at what could happen if they ever came here again. I thank God every day that I live where I do. Although no place is ever really safe to be, we're damn lucky to have what we do in our lives and to have the freedoms we do. My heart goes out to the families that have lost ones they love. I don't know what kind of God these barbaric men worship, but I thank my God that I don't have Him.
Posted by: boo on October 7, 2004 04:17 AM
FUCK U CMJ.... Dont u talk to ME about being self-rightous !!! THE US singlehanded started this war...WITHOUT the aprovel of the UN !!! Now what kind of respect for the world society does that show ?? Talk about being selfrightous to me ??! u cunt !
We dont have anything to do in iraq...
Posted by: Chris Frandsen on October 7, 2004 12:29 PM
People keep going on about no WMD... Holy cow. This man attacked kuwait. He gas, bombed, killed his own people. He defiled sanctions for 10 years. WHO THE HELL WOULDNT THINK HE HAD WMD?
Old man bush stopped iraq from invading kuwait. A few years later OBL shows up on the scene.. Both from the middle east. Both hate America and most of the western world. Ofc they wont admit to knowing each other.. Sheesh! OPEN YOUR EYES....
I think usa, uk, and the rest of the allies are mad for fighting this type of war. They like a dirty, street to street, fight. Your dealing with animals here.These people are not humans. Most have the brain of a dog.
What needs to be done now is this.. GET OUT OF THAT HELL HOLE!We got saddam. Whats going on atm is this.. These goons bomb their own people, and more normal people turn against the allies. These people dont need or want help.. Leave them alone to look at rocks. Once the troops come home. You give these people one warning.. The next terror attack on us and were going to NUKE YOU! It worked on the japs and they have been fine every since. We cant help people that dont want to be helped.
Posted by: BB on October 8, 2004 07:50 AM
Kenneth Bigley has been beheaded in Iraq. See link on the left navbar under "Recent Entries"
Posted by: Digger on October 8, 2004 08:00 AM
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Posted by: Digger on October 8, 2004 08:03 AM
It's a mad mad mad world, people are getting killed everyday and who started it all? the 911. If the US can not take care of all those bastards, they should pay someone to do the dirty job, get someone who is more bastards then them to do the job. Someone who can do a bloodier job cutting open their throats. believe me, use 1/10 of the money US is spending to keep the troops in Iraq can go a long way.
Posted by: jack wong from Hong Kong on October 8, 2004 09:34 AM
having just found out that ken bigley has been beheaded on british tv i decided to go online to find out more ive just watched the jack hensley murder, because that is exactly what it was it disgusts me to the core that people like this exist in the world my heart goes out to all members of all the victims families i dont pretend to understand any of this it is beyond me that one human being can do this to another.In britain we are totally blind to the total cruelty that these people are capable of because our news,papers etc are banned from showing this kind of inhumanity im not so sure thats a good thing or bad but i do know that what i just watched was wrong,callous,inhumane,and heartbreaking, god help us and forgive us.
Posted by: shocked on October 8, 2004 03:27 PM
I am absolutely heartbroken.
I cannot stand our country's citizens sometimes, how the peace finatics say this is uncalled for and our men and women are dying for something we shouldn't even be involved with. Everyone is outraged at these videos and I constantly hear that Bush has made a terrible mistake and we need to bring our guys home. And its not like I am PRO war! But my husband is a Marine and could go over there anytime. Our friend has been shipped to Iraq twice. And our men and women in uniform are proud to be over there defending our country and a country that is in desperate need of an intervention.
My previous boss told me "That is how the Iraqi people live and thats what they are used to and they don't want our help." Well these beheading videos are just giving us a taste of what they have had to live with for years. And are -we- used to it? Does that shock factor ever really go away? I dont understand how we can be so selfish as to even fathom letting these terrorists roam without consequence.
Of course watching that video makes me angry and frustrated. But I am not racist and I do not blame every Middle Eastern desendant I meet for what is happening. I do very much support our President and Tony Blaire for the stand they have made. Somebody has to take this problem on and while the rest of the world can stand back and gawk at "our mistakes and misinformation" I say they need to grow some balls and try doing something good with their government's power. Interperately speaking, we are parents to the world and it Is our responsibily to do whats right. If we did nothing, the world would complain; like in, what was it, WWII. "When is America going to join the war?" "How long is America going to ignore the war?" When we dont act we are critisized. When we DO we are critisized.
Yes, some of our soldiers have died. Yes, some citizens have died. But that is the cost of war. As much as I wanted to cry after that video, I cannot say "Maybe we made a mistake" even crossed my mind. It further drove me to want to track these terrorists down and give them the justice they deserve. Maybe there were no current WMD on threat in Iraq but these terrorist groups are just as potient. And I am extraordinarily proud of our president and I would love to tell him that in person. I would love to tell the -stupid- mother who came up to me at work and said "My son didnt join the air force to go to war, he joined so he could go to school" get a reality check. Our boys and girls are over there because they signed up to do a job. They are defending our country. And if I am the only one who remembers 9/11 and that this has all stemmed from that then I am very disappointed in what has become of our country's people.
Dear God if I support my president in this matter I must be a gawsh darned red neck. Well, I am Not an American Idiot as some seem to call it now. I'm from California, the Most Liberal state in my opinion. I am not even a person who likes politics. I am just someone who is damn proud of my country's current leaders.
Posted by: Amber Lee on October 9, 2004 03:26 AM
Why the fuck did you put it on the internet so people can see it u must be sick in the head
Posted by: martyn naylor on October 9, 2004 06:59 AM
Posted by: Mommy on October 9, 2004 12:18 PM
Amber Lee, you get my vote. It's difficult to debate people who don't believe our world has shrunk considerably for any number of reasons (travel, technology etc). Remember 911? If we eliminated Osama Bin Laden tomorrow, little would change in the way of a growing threat from a region of the world that seems to originate more than their share of evil. We need to support of soldiers and leaders. That doesn't mean blindly following and not asking hard questions, but not supporting our troops at this hour is truly treasonous. There is good and there is evil. One can't hide in the middle, so choose a side. And for those of you who are all upset with the beheadings...try to get a little perspective. Violence, hate, torture, pain etc exist in all parts of the world at all times. The terrorist strategy of beheading is like a cheap parlor trick. These are truly impotent people. We should be worried about their strategy of getting weapons of mass destruction. Frankly, I'm glad we are over there facing the evil straight up. Identify and eliminate. And again, keep perspective. I believe most people are intrinsically good. Many in the eastern countries have to work their butts off just maintain a daily existence and are good people. We just need to cut off the bad parts, with extreme prejudice.
Posted by: Mantis454 on October 9, 2004 02:11 PM
I have never saw anything like this in my life they should send Sas in till they get them as you know they will not get them the same as bin laden move on too somebody else. as blair said dont talk to terrorist so who the fuck gerry adams blair could have got ken out off there my heart out to the family of jack
Posted by: c campbell on October 10, 2004 01:17 PM
Dear BnZ: You are a vulger individual. You are also a very angy and derranged individual; kind of like the scum that did these evil acts. I realize you need to get your anger out, but you are vomiting anger that belongs elsewhere on America. America did not create this war!! Got that! Let's say it again - America did not create this war!! Sadaam Hussain and his like created this war! Muslims who use their religion as a justification for such evil acts created this war. Dorks without a spirit or a mind created 9/11. I happen to know that Denmark is a country that uses oil and they have to get it from somewhere! Where do you suppose you get your oil? And don't think for one moment that your people aren't "shakey" about the oil/gas issues too! That's the real world big guy. There is negotiating going on right now that you nor I will ever be aware of, and by your and mine countrymen. No reason to ram hi-jacked airplanes into significant business buildings full of people or to cut off the heads of innocent civilian people who are doing nothing but contributing possitive efforts to this horrible situation which Saddam and his like created for all of us. So clean up your thoughts, and your mouth and grow up! I'll bet you know zawquari - yeah?
Posted by: cmj on October 11, 2004 02:45 AM
Mommy, the video is at the very top of this page, but trust me, you'll be a changed person for seeing such horror. Its the worst thing in life you'll ever see. So . . . please do not watch it! And just pray for all of us! And for Jack Hensley who had to endure this horror. May he truly now be at peace. And may you never have to see such evil.
Posted by: tj on October 11, 2004 02:52 AM
BB, I hear you! And that is why Rumsfeild is now in Iraq - telling them to get their shit together because someday we will pull out of Iraq and they are left to either "get it together" or kill each other. I prefer the latter. Non-the-less, keep their insanities out of civil countries!
Posted by: Torra on October 11, 2004 03:03 AM
Oh, and BnZ, the UN wasn't attacked!!! America was! I'm going to sit back and watch what your country does when these creeps take over your country! Which they will! Are you going to wait for the permission of the UN? Your anger belongs to the terroists! Not Bush and not the USA!
Posted by: cmj on October 11, 2004 03:10 AM
I just read back over so many of the posts- some of SO vulgar. I do wish people would stick to the point here.
I keep hearing the anti-war and anti-Americans blather on about "the UN" as if it's some sacred gathering. For goodness sake- THEY WERE TAKING PAYOFFS FROM SADDAM. They stand by NOW while slaughter is happening in the Sudan because the PM there say's it's not. THey Stood by when "ethnic cleansing" otherwise known as MASS MURDER was taking place in the Balkins.
AMERICA finally did something about it- and now we need to finish the job. Amber Lee, you got it. GOD BLESS GW Bush, and the job he has done. And GOD HELP US if Kerry gets elected.
To you Kerry fans- if you haven't read "Unfit for Command" yet, read it if you dare. It is a TOTAL indictment of Kerry's CHARACTER... and shows just what a cowardly weasel he is. He cannot LEAD anything- he's a lawyer who talks a good game, but WORDS will not serve us now.
Just who will ally with us to stand up to these savages???
Posted by: AnArmyMom on October 11, 2004 03:11 AM
I think Bush and Blair can get the job done. The one thing that scares me more than anything, is if they dont make it to office again.
We all know the saying "its a dirty job but someone has to do it." Well these two men have been doing it and doing it well.
To all the people talking about WMD! I'll tell you whats worse than any WMD. A person or group of people that WILL USE a WMD! All the middle east people fighting our forces arnt doing it because they like us. All these people fighting our forces are the reason our forces are over there.. They need to be stopped and taken out before they arrive at your door.
Is the world a safer place since 9/11? You bet it is. Hell on 9/11 how many Americans died in their own back yard? Why is it safer? Because Saddam is sitting in a small prsion cell, where he should have been 10 years ago. Becuase OBL is hiding in a cave and scared to come out. Many many of his evil army has been killed or put in prison. All these people our troops are fighting and killing everyday are gone. All this and there hasnt been another attack on Usa soil.
Thats why the world is a safer place.
These people talking about war will just make the middle east a breeding ground for terrorist. Wrong! Its been a breeding ground for terrorist for many years.
Thats why the world is a safer place.
Posted by: BB on October 11, 2004 04:41 AM
Well said, BB. I hope they both get back in office too- there are so many trivialities being discussed these days. Kerry is a wizard with WORDS, not deeds.
Posted by: AnArmyMom on October 11, 2004 04:10 PM
Having just watched the incredibly upsetting and unforgetable beheading of Jack Hensley - I believe, as grusome as it is, (and no-one could argue that point) It should be conpulsary to show it, in full colour complete with sound, to all the bloody 'do-gooders' and human rights activists around the world - perhaps then they might think twice about bleeting on about how poorly treated the Islamic suspects held by U.S. NOT!
Posted by: Cath on October 13, 2004 09:27 AM
And this fucking election! We got no choices! Neither one of the dickweeds will proffer anything on energy cost, they're both talking about raising the minimum wage, which of course gives everybody but the hamburger flippers a cut in pay by exactly the same amount the minimum was raised! AND that my son, WILL fuck up the Economy! Tax Increases will hurt the small business sector, and none of those assholes will re-write the tax codes. And both of them talk about tax reduction for the low and middle class . . Fuck! They don't pay any now! Tax the Rich! Tax the Rich! Tax the Rich! AND they (the Rich) pass it right back down to the places they got rich from! Wot the fucks wrong with people that they can't see through the Fog of Bullshit and see these assholes for what they are! And regardless, if it were a "War for Oil", well, we're losing! So it ain't that!
Kerry's right about there being no plan for peace . . But if you read Tom Barnett (Chair for the War College, Annapolis) he tells us that the Congress and more especially the Senate has refused to fund even studies for that branch of the military, Systems Administration, which has been invented, named and given purpose, just no funding! Nobody in Congress will vote and fund a modern "Country Building" segment of the Military because it will redesign totally how we fight wars, and then we won't have all the pork these cocksuckers depend on to get them elected every term! No New Submarines, no new Missile defense systems, none of that big, complicated shit. The new Military would consist of two arms, the Warfighters, who come in quick and light, Blow shit up, kill people, take territory, make the enemy capitulate, then get the fuck out and let Sys. Admin. come in and set up a new country, get the infrastructure running again, put locals in charge immediately. Especially in these "Religiously Challenged" countries, provide security, money and advice, but get the "Warfighters" out of sight quickly! Keep 'em handy, but out of sight.
But first, the Warfighters gotta make 'em cry "Uncle" . . NOBODY DID! That was the politician's fault . . You name 'em, you blame 'em . . pick a party, pick a Legislator . . None of them are blameless, as a matter of fact, they ought to take the entire Senate out and Shoot 'em in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue as traitors to their Oath of Office! They have voted for greed, personal gain, damned near anything except the interest of the people they represent. And then they have the Balls to stand in front of us and say "They feel our Pain!" Wotta crock of shit! That's why I couldn't vote for Kerry and Edwards, they have a combined service time in the legislative branch of 25 years (Kerry 19, Edwards almost 6) and their record is fucking ZERO. Nada, Nothing, Nyet, Z-I-Fucking-P!
And the only sympathy I feel for the Bushies is that they kinda inherited a fucking mess, BUT, "W" has taken a huge political advantage and using absolutely no talent at all turned it into a fucking lost cause! He should have beat the fuck out of the Senate and got the military updated . . But nooooo, that would piss off his buddies in the Senate and his Contributors! And He was wrong when he ran the first time and said, "He wouldn't engage in "Country Building". ANY leader of either this country or the UN has to recognize that is EXACTLY what we must do to escape the mental condition that creates Terrorists! And no American wants to fund it. Even less, the Europeans don't want to have anything to do with it! So, it's gonna be the UGLY AMERICAN that's gonna get to do it.
Pretty quick, the 25% of the population of Europe that's Muslim will start blowing shit up over there. Watch 'em piss and moan . . And there's where We can't go! As much as we might want . . when it starts happening, we CAN'T touch 'em. They are going to have to deal with their "Citizens" on their own. The French or anybody else would be mortified should we appeal to them to help us with our immigration policies, so that puts us in the same boat. And let 'em see if the U.N. will help! Not a fucking chance! WE ARE the UN security force, like it or not . . and I don't! . . Fuck 'em! A bunch of petty dictators and serious thieves using their bureaucratic positions to enrich themselves at the world's expense, 'nother bunch that ought to be taken out and shot publicly!
Hmmmm, wotta rant! Obviously you don't have much to do orrr, you wouldn't be reading this Right-Left Wing Tripe! Radical Shit!
Gotta go now, take my medication . . I'll be fine . .
Posted by: large on October 14, 2004 09:44 AM
Has everyone gone MAD!! I watched the video ,,,it was horrific to say the very least. It scares the shit outta me...but what scares me even more is reading all of the comments that suggest we Nuke the whole country based on the acts of a psychotic few. We don't know that the citizens of Iraq support this barbaric practice you people have allowed this crazy shit to consume your heart and influenced you to have the same type of hatred that it took for those men to cold bloddedly and dispassionately cut the head off of another human being and VIDEO IT!!! we all watched it...what does that make us?
I am not saying that I didnt want to go over and smash on those fools cause if anything EVER made me want to join the Marines that did...I am a mother of 3 and I love my children with all of my heart and I never thought I would be saying this but.....I regret having childern at all I should never have brought them into a world that is so fucked up. I only pray for their sakes that there is a God and that he will protect them from all this pain suffering and heartbreaking agony...the debilitating fears of a mother were realized the day I watched that video. And to think that everyone has been telling me I was over reacting and that my fears were irrational.
I dont know who to blame or how to stop it.
My apologies to the families of these men for taking part in this sadistic viseo bullshit...I never meant to sensationalize or minimze your pain and sufferiing or that of the precious lives you have lost. I am truly sorry.
Posted by: a fellow human being on October 18, 2004 02:41 AM
We all need to listen to this "fellow human being". I cant sleep now. I also have three children and now know this really is a fucked up place to bring them in to.I dont know how a person can do this to another. My prayers go to the familys of all those who go through this and indeed to the men who this happened to.
Posted by: cal on October 18, 2004 07:07 PM
I have seen the video two weeks ago... and I felt really sick even watching it, and ending a life this way,
We have a mixture of good and evil in Iraqi,… some trying to build what the Americans have destroyed in the last year and some trying to make this a mention impossible,
Without a law (i.e without ligament government)its easy to call your self with the name you want, Islamic (fashion) or what ever… get someone to kidnap and call it TAXING of the rich countries for the free oil been exported on a daily basis from southern Iraqi.
These groups are getting for each kidnapping a $1 million Dolores, a month for all the oil been forcibly taken by the USA and UK,
The American Air Force is capable of fitting a color Cameras to show the devastation of F16 missiles leave behind which we all believe is more wicked than this video,
Posted by: H on October 19, 2004 01:02 PM
"H" ; Your People have had over 10 years to put your "House" in order. You haven't. WE WILL!
Your test will come when it's election time. Let's see if your people are civilized enough to govern yourselves without beginning a religious bloodbath as soon as the "Security troops" are out of sight!
And it has nothing to do with oil. It has everything to do with Political stability in that part of the world. And if you people would stop shooting at Americans with your pop guns, they won't shoot at you with F-16's! You people obviously haven't figured out that one round from a F-16 equals ALL the AK-47's in your neighborhood! And then of course, after, you don't have that neighborhood any more!
"H", get over the ugly American deal, we came to give you a taste of Freedom and Self-Governance. The sooner you quit shooting at us, each other, in the air, and lay down your weapons, the sooner we get to bring ALL the people home who have helped you attain that which is so precious, Individual Freedom!
Our Troops don't want to be there anymore than you want them there!
Posted by: large on October 21, 2004 06:23 AM
I believe we all want to stop the madness- Regardless of political affiliation, religion and all the other differences.
It will sound trite to say- but EACH of us has choices- mainly these choices are in how we treat EACH OTHER and all the other creatures in this world.
Also, those of us who WANT peace, at home and abroad were faced with a choice. What to do with those (Zarqawi; OSB;Hussein) who simply want what THEY want- and everyone else be damned. THere is NO compromise in these people- they have demonstrated that time and again over the years. These people are not NEW on the scene- they and many more like them have been alive and VERY active for years. The US chose to stop them. We drew the line in the sand- and all the hugs and compromise we could possibly offer them WOULD NOT CHANGE THEIR MINDS.
In any great conflict- and this certainly qualifies- there is collateral damage- a very sad state of affairs. But H, let me ask you this- you talk about the devastation our bombers visit on Iraq. What about the devastation (hundreds of thousands slaughtered; starving; detained; raped etc) visited upon those people by their own government over the 30 years of Saddam's reign? And his THEFT of the money that was meant to help them, and the THEFT and duplicity by members of the UN who STOLE the food from their children's mouths. Would you honestly prefer THAT still to be the way things are in Iraq???
Be a realist H, and examine the fact that SOMEONE SOMEWHERE HAD to be willing first, to draw the line and say ENOUGH, and second, willing and able to back that up. That is what the United States did. I have only to point you to Afghanistan, and the MILLIONS there who are now free and VOTED to prove it. Those people have fought and WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT for that right.
Many of theirs died, and they mourn them, in the conflict between the Taliban and US. But I DO NOT here the Afghani people whining about the damage that occurred. They understood, as I believe that the average Iraqi understands, that IN WAR TIME some innocents will be caught up in the conflict. A tragedy- YES. A situation we mourn- YES. But DO YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION??? No. because there isn't one.
My son, US MARINE, and many others, have decided that THEY ARE WILLING to defend OUR country, AND ANY OTHER COUNTRY WHO IS NOT AS FORTUNATE , to spread FREEDOM and PERSONAL RIGHTS... and all the OTHER commodities that are taken SO for granted by the average American.
ALL the things that happen in this world, good, bad and anywhere in between HAVE A PRICE TAG. ANY Choice you make- means GIVING UP SOMETHING ELSE. That is the law of nature. In this case- yes, we acknowledge that SOME lives will be lost- it is unavoidable. Our troops do EVERYTHING in their power to AVOID collateral casualties. BUT , if people HARBOR the people THEY KNOW WE ARE AFTER (And they were given the choice of giving the Terrorists up and AVOID the bombings), then they have CHOSEN to run the risk of being part of the inevitable damage that will come.
However, the GREATER GOOD is served, even though SOME casualties must occur.
Consider this- MANY of our young men lay dead and are injured FOR life because they were WILLING (we have an ALL volunteer force) WILLING, to lay their lives on the line FOR PEOPLE THEY DON"T EVEN KNOW... because they believe in FREEDOM. They knew the chance existed that THEY COULD BE KILLED, and still they go TO HELP; to LIBERATE.
We have our own list of casualties and grief- but we DO NOT turn away. Get your pictures of devastation if you wish- but be SURE TO ALSO GET PICTURES OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BENEFITED; WHO THANK THE TROOPS even as the residents emerge from ruins that used to be their homes- because those people understand that under a FREE Government they will rebuild those homes and buildings, but they will do it THEIR way- because the freedom to CHOOSE has been given to them.
Posted by: AnArmyMom on October 21, 2004 08:46 AM
America your head is so far up your own ass with the light switched off that you cannot see that the world hates. You cannot moralize about anything when you are responsble for the wholesale genocide of Indigenous Americans bannishing the survivors and their offspring to a pittifull existence on smaller and smaller reservations where the true Americans have been reduced to mere exibits in what is for all intents and purposes a run down freek show . Honestly is it any wonder that the American Indians suffer the highest infant mortality rates in the western so called civilised world. Shame on you America for raping the planet, not signing the Tokyo agreement on the reduction of environmental polution when the USA is the biggest wholesale poluter of the plane.You have not learned from Vientnam. You cannot force your political will on other countries.Sadam was bad but you have not replaced him with anything better.You just havent got it have you?
You are hated now more than ever you were precisely because of your blind arrogance, ignorance and selfish greed.You come from wroth and wroth you shall become.Send out as many body bags as you can muster because you are going to need them when you take on the sunny triangle. Fallujah shall be your nemesis and the Brits that are about to support to will fare no better and as soon as they start to be picked of by snipers or blown up by RPGs its fuck you America from the British Electorate. Wake up America this is your Vietnam only this time the death toll will ge magnified a hundredfold.
Posted by: watchonamerica on October 25, 2004 09:35 AM
Watch, obviously you hail from the "Sunny" triangle... however, what we do in the SUNNI triangle will be a different matter.
Its good to know there are charming folks like you left in the world... so full of hope and caring.
You have my sympathy for the very narrow thought processes you've locked yourself into- thank goodness most people are more intelligent than you evidently are. You make many dire predictions, but you forget one thing- The United States is THE only super power left- THAT is why we are involved in most conflicts- because we have to protect the rights of pathetic examples of humanity like you and allow you to spew whatever filth you come up with in your "Sunny triangle".
Might I remind you, since you must be a history professor, that originally we came here to escape the wonders of Europe- religious opression; feudal law; corrupt governments et al. You're right the indigenous people of this country were treated shabbily- their lot is improving these days, but of course, you wouldn't know that, nor would you believe it even if proof was put in front of your face.
The past cannot be taken back- EVER. One can only look forward... that is of course unless your mind is entirely too narrow- sort of the way you speak and evidently think.
You have my sympathy.
Posted by: AnArmyMom on October 26, 2004 06:03 PM
Watch, your articulate style makes me think that maybe you're part of the problem . . . You're one of those people who are so quick to use the things that only America could invent, the computer, the cell phone, the machine gun, but are so quick to criticise and wish for an end to it all. Of course you, like all true conservationists, want to be the last one to use all of those modern contrivances!
You're a FUCKING HYPOCRITE! As are most of the Fundamentalists! It's power, not truth, that people like you seek, and you decry the Americans for the mistreatment of the Native American . . OK, stop, close your mouth, open your eyes, look, the American Natives are gaining ground, with the largest lobby registered to the American Congress! They have money, lots of money, and with the lobby . . POWER! Shut the Fuck up, you're 35 years too late with that Bullshit!
And if Washington would stop listining to the Whiny Minority that you represent, they'd turn the Sunni Triangle into a Parking Lot and send what's left of those inhuman bastards back to Syria and Jordan where they belong!
Unlike "Mom" I have no sympathy for uneducated, unread people who represent and espouse your ideas. May god have mercy on your souls . . Because I sure as hell wouldn't!
Posted by: large on October 27, 2004 01:00 PM
I think your largely full of shit.
Yanks like you are hated all over the world.
That's not all yanks, just loud mouth overbearing oaf's like you, theres a subtle difference, a subtlety that probably goes straight over your dumb ass American head.
No this is not an attack on America from me, theres good and bad in every walk of life, I accept that.
You make me laugh, what would you know about articulate, you can't string two word's together without shortening them because your too lazy to to write proper English.
Yes thats right, English.
Your language, your mother tongue, it's English and dont you forget it.
That language you have bastardised, slaughtered in a vain attempt to make it your own. But you see you can't make it your own because it will always be English.
You got all that superiority bollocks fom us,
cant't you see through the mire of shit your fed through the T.V.,media etc,you are expendable,I am expendable, we are all expendable.
True what these Jihadhists are doing in Iraq is truly horrific.But we have been sold a pup by moderate Islamists when they said that these barbaric acts have no place in Islam.
I was so appalled by the beheading of Eugine Armstrong, I had to find out what makes people do such barbaric acts in the name of religion.
I felt physicaly sick for days after seeing the harrowing video. I think anyone that sees it and has an ounce of humanity will find it changes them in some way forever.
I researched the Koran and read a book called The Phylosophy of Islam, and found that the practice is entirely consistent with the teachings of the Koran.
When Moslem land is occupied by infidels it is considered right and fitting to behead the enemy and or any of those who aid and support them.
It is seen as the most humiliating way of killing, and a powerful tool in undermining the will of the infidel forces to carry on in their occupation of moslem land
In about A.D .700 The Prophet Mohammad ' when asked what was to be done with between 700 and 900 captive Jews from the ancient Qurazy tribe, ordered that they be beheaded.
A mass grave was dug in Medina Market, they were summarily beheaded while Mohamed was in attendance.
I speak in a very plain way,I tell it like it is, I'm sorry if that upsets you,but you see you are part of the problem, you can only accept an opinion that agrees with your own, if any one has a differing view you just cannot cope with it.
I respect that you have an opinion, one that I may not necessarily agree with but I accept your right to express it, however in a civilised society, you too must respect that I also have an opinion, and it deserves to be expressed without any bullying or shouting down from the likes of you.
If you want to crush peoples right to free speach,go to Afghanistan and live under the Taliban, see how you like it, or more importantly how long you last.
America is being watched, and as much as a large part of the world supports the removal of despots and murderers, Americas hands are in no way clean when it comes to assassinations and the proping up of Tyrants.
Argentina's General Pinochet and his death
squads, were resonsible for the murder of thousands of Argentinians, mostly students, in the 1970's, and he was directly backed by America.
If America and the west had not Armed Saddam in the hope that he would defeat Iran he would never have become such a danger to the civilised world.
large, you are the un-read, and you are the truly uneducated, learn to write proper english before you even point the finger, you dumb ass, your command of the English language is shit.
I write old fashioned plain English , but at least its intelligible English, not that fucking crap you espuouse to be English.
God doesn't exist, have you never heard of dinosaurs and the theory of evolution.
Get real, bring your head outfrom your ass with the light switched off and live in the real world.
Loving it! Ha!
Posted by: watchonamerica on October 28, 2004 04:23 PM
Dear Watch- best use Spell Check the next time you attempt to write in "English", you're not QUITE as perfect and articulate as you seem to think.. You are pathetic ... and I'm certainly glad we are "yanks" and not the interbred idiots England seems to be producing these days.
Large, don't bother trying to reason with the likes of him...besides he's across the "Pond"... one small blessing at least.
Posted by: AnArmyMom on October 28, 2004 07:04 PM
Hey Army Mom-who rattled your cage?
This is not a typing accurcy test, a slip of the key here and there does not mean I cant spell you dummy. I've better things to do with my time than worry abour a few slips of the keys.God you are such a sour puss. Incidentaly you cant use spell checker option when your in this post a comment page, I often do use it in Word to correct slips of the key, and theres no shame in that, though you are obviously a very shame based individual, which is why you are such a nit
Just go and stuff your face with another doughnut you doughnut, you know you want to,
probably sat there all day filling your face.
Struth you realy have some gaul to think that you speak for others.If Large wishes to respond to my posting then surely that is his business alone and not yours you interfering old hag.
You realy are an ignorant person and your actions display new heights of arrogance.
Go on have another doughnut, you know you want one. Just go back to your
net curtain twitching you sad ass busy body, one hopes in future you will feel the need to get yourself a life, mind your own buisness and
leave us all alone.
The term speak when you are spoken would be
clearly lost on you.
Why does the Female Army Corps always attract the dummest types? And before you get on your soap box I am not just refering to that trailer trash gal that caused the stink at Abu Ghraib.
You know those bastards that killed Nick Berg
said the abuse that went on there had to be paid for in souls.
This was at the same time that that dumb trailer trash Army witch was seen all over the front pages of every newspaper in the world with her thumbs up pointing at a naked iraqi males genitals in the most humiliating pose. That bitch has blood on her hands!These moslems are not like us, they are still in the middle ages with that honour is everything shit. I was appalled when they beheaded Nick Berg,and whatever went on there does not deserve the beheading of a human being. FWhat we dont need is more dumb Army gals fucjing things up for the rest of us.
Have a nice day wont you!
Oh and get a job!
Posted by: watchonamerica on October 29, 2004 04:21 AM
My Watch- aren't you just the KING of assumptions...lol. Poor you.
"large, you are the un-read, and you are the truly uneducated, learn to write proper english before you even point the finger..." Hmmm....
Those are YOUR words so who is pointing the finger? Don't critize Large or anyone else for typos, and leave yourself exempt.
Watch, you can dish it out be you can't take it- typical of your type-the rules only apply to everyone else. You also make all manner of far-fetched assumptions- another trait of the severly narrow minded.
Large's opionions are his own- as a Citizen of this country. Your opinions are yours- it's a right we give EVERYONE here- even folks like you who are not but like to visit and spew filth.
By the way, here's a clue for you too- the term is Army MOM....lol. Maybe that's too deep for you though. If you need to have it explained, let me know.
Posted by: AnArmyMom on October 29, 2004 04:39 AM
Spelchecker Army Mom,
you say 'Critize', let me just help you with that.Did you mean critisize? Hmmm I think you did.Whos the ruly un educated again? Remind me. Dip stick ! You just dont listen do you! Larges 'opionions' as you spelt it but now wait a minute ,you dont mean Larges onions do you so I guess you meant Larges opinions are his own. Yes I agree with you there so just shut the fuck up speaking for him which was my original posting, let the guy speak for himself you old cow, and let that be the end of it.
You are so dumb that you critisized me for spelling mistakes when I told you I can spell its just slips of the key when speed typing, yet you have just done the same thing dumbo, slips of the key when typing, god get a life will ya.
This is my last posting regarding you and this subject, I'd rather pull teeth than read any more of your red neck dixie land bull shit, Sweet dreams baby,what goes around comes around, Ha.
Posted by: Watchonamerica on October 29, 2004 03:26 PM
I didnt really understand exactly what was going on in iraq. after seeing this video a new light of understanding has come to be, the question is, who has a disrespect for life whereas they think they have the power to take life and not recieve repocucions in this life or whatever comes next. this video needs to be broadcast on national tv, suddenly not only soilders, but people from all over the world with respect for innocent life will take that piece of shit country and drive those bastards out, those people make me sick.
Posted by: Darren on November 2, 2004 04:05 AM
Naturally. The common people don’t want war. But after all. it is the leaders of country who determine the policy. And it is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a parliament. Voice or no Voice. The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country my friend.
Posted by: H on November 5, 2004 05:58 PM
This seems unreal, but we all know that it is true. i dont curse very many people, but by my god in heaven, i curse those responsible for this and other acts of plain out murder,may they die in extream pain.
Posted by: James Millsaps on January 13, 2005 03:40 AM
Anyone who cannot see the horror and the necessity to eliminate these people from the face of the earth after seeing a video of that disruptive cailber need not breath the same air as normal human beings. These barbaric animals use media and sympathetic idiots in America to control the war and win the small battles which put our soldiers and our citizens working overseas in greater danger.To take another man's life in such a horific way and claim you are a supporter of a greater God, they are diluted. Their way of thinking is way off of a normal human beings grounds. They cannot be treated as a people, but they need to be treated as the viscious blood thirsty animals that they are and then be eliminted from this world in just as quick a manner. I have no patience for a merciful or friendly war. This needs to be a brutal and aggressive front in order to retain some specticle of way of life overf there. The longer we let them string us along. the more impatient the world will become with us. Eliminate them and you deliver a great blow to the heart of Satan.
Posted by: Eric on January 28, 2005 12:26 AM
OH MY THAT IS ALL I KNOW TO SAY MY PRAYERS AND MY HEART GOES OUT TO JACK HENSLYS LOVED ONES THAT WAS AWFUL JUST SO VERY AWFUL, WE HAVE HAD SO MANY OF OUR LOVED ONES DIE AT THESE CRAZY, EVIL HANDS I ASK YOU AND OUR COUNTRY WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE ENOUGH WHY HAVE WE NOT KILLED THEM. I AM SORRY I UNDERSTAND THEY ALSO HAVE INNOCENT PEOPLE THERE AS WELL, HOWEVER WHAT ABOUT ALL THE INNOCENT AMERICAN BLOOD THAT HAS BEEN SHED. THE TIME HAS COME TO REALIZE INNOCENT PEOPLE WILL DIE IN THIS BATTLE AND I SAY BETTER THEIR INNOCENT THAN MORE OF OURS, I LOVE MY COUNTRY AND I AM SICK OF WATCHING MY FELLOW AMERICANS DIE AT THE HANDS OF SUCH EVIL. WE MUST BREAK THE CIRCLE KILL THEM ALL BEFORE THEIR YOUNG GROW UP AND BECOME A PRODUCT OF THEIR FATHERS.
Posted by: AMY on January 31, 2005 07:54 PM
I'll tell you the truth. If there was no oil in Irak, we wouldn't be there. Bush and Rumsfeld would gladly sell the knifes that they use to behead if there was enough profit in it. Also, look at how we tortured the prisoners in Abugreb (not sure of spelling). Were not so nice at times either. We bombed there women and children with arms and legs flying every direction--and for MONEY. Whose worse?
Posted by: Rob on March 6, 2005 06:54 PM
This was my first time viewing such a thing. I thought it wouldnt bother me, how wrong I was. I'm not sure why all this is going on but one thing is for sure. Pull out all of our troops and nuke that part of the planet back to the stone age!
Posted by: kc on May 31, 2005 09:16 PM
that was freakin awesome any more new stuff please send to me
Posted by: justin hawk on October 27, 2005 02:19 PM
It is quite hilarious to see the comments of hatred and and false use of conjectures, seems to me however foolish as most people do not know the full truth on this issue of IRAQ and why these american fucks fail to see the big picture but are only fueled by demagogues in the whitehouse, To cut the long story short who invaded Iraq, who defiled the lands who dear disrupt and impede faith and pilgrimage.Abraham who whole heartedly worshipped and obeyed allah to the fullest even when his son was to be sacrificed by his hands that is true faith and none can be guided safely if they do not trod a path of certitude by bending his will to allah (or god if you wish).
Posted by: Convert on December 4, 2006 10:30 AM
Right i fuckin hate right winged muslims-infact i hate muslims. I am a young adult who has strong beliefs that if you are not born here you should fuck off to your sandcastle in the desert where you belong, after all if a pig is born in a stable does it make it a horse>? NO! Islamic people know they are not wanted here, so why do they stay? They should gather their belongings along with the rag they preach with and a months suppply of curry and fuck off home. Have i made my point clear? And as for the twat above me, so what we invaded Iraq? its a shite country anyway! The stupid fucking leader was killing his people! maybe we should have left him for a few more years to kill all of the cunts! He did deserve to die though! Prick. anyways rant over! British forever and Americans please stop shooting us! christ it aint hard to differentiate between British and Iraq, the Iraqies have rags on their head, no fuckin tanks and dont have a pot to piss in! Cheers every1 finally i can tell you lot to fuck off!
Posted by: Gary on January 5, 2007 09:24 AM
And here we are getting yelled at for killing "innocent civillians" when we cant tell one from the other, but this is besides the point. If they were to invade this country, thats what would happen to many people. I say fuck this limited war shit and finish the job. How can we be so weak on these people. I honestly believe anyone who sees this will change there opinion on the war.I think we should all sit down and draw pictures of allah and fuck with those fucking terrorist. That would piss them off. We can draw a picture for every person they cold bloodedly murdered.
Posted by: ThisOneGuy on January 6, 2007 02:45 AM
U havent seen the fucked up malay muslim mother fuckers in Malaysia.. they're barbaric dumb ass wipers as well.. fuck all muslims !
Posted by: Vince on May 13, 2007 05:23 AM
I think the US, UK and Israel should be NUKED to ashes so the world can be set free.
The West shall never teach the East how live.
1 ounce of gold was 650bux now it is 950bux the dollar is sinking yet americans worry their butts about foreign affairs. Why don't you discuss your own internal affairs?
and yeah one more thing; http://www.jewwatch.com
Fare thee unWell, JackAsses
Posted by: A M D on April 22, 2008 03:18 PM
i dont think these so called terroists do what they must to these poor innocent infidels. i believe it is the government or the will of the very brain that brings such tragic results.
lay ur hands off of iraqis and their conutry and leave them alone. that will lessen the pain we are taking in return.
Posted by: firebrance on July 12, 2008 04:22 AM
Do you expect the freedom fighters to do nothing? Should they stand still while their land is occupied, and while their family is being killed? If we caught the deaths of half a million Iraqi civilians on video (most of the civilians being children), then will you know which one is the real "terrorist"?
Posted by: Fighter on August 19, 2008 05:40 PM
i think that all of these beheadings are barbaric and discusting and any man women or child which are being held hostage by these barbaric people should not be put the pain of being neheaded for no reason. these people need to be stop because the people that they are beheading are inocent and dont deserve to be murdered in this barbaric and discusting way because of the goverments that our countries and there countries have. all of these groups that are commiting these murder's should get what bin laden got and this should be done publicly because they are a discrace to there country to there government and to the world thay are destroying peoples lives and family's.
Posted by: sam on November 14, 2009 12:59 PM
GET RID OFF ALL THE FUCKIN MUSLIN SCUM AND GET RID OF FUCKIN IRAQ AND EVERY BASTARD THAT LIVES THERE THEY SHOULD ALL BE FUCKING KILLED AND BURNED ALIVE SO WE CAN ALL PISS ON THERE ASHES AND STOP 99% OFF THE HEATRID GOING ON ON THIS PLANET FUCK THEM ALL AND FUCK THERE SCUM FUCK COUNTRY THERE ALL SHEEP SHAGGIN DOG RAPEING COW HUMPING DIRT STABING SCUM MOTHER FUCKERS AND THERE ALL INBREAD FUCK THEM ALL.
Posted by: THE SCUEWER on November 14, 2009 01:11 PM
what is the link to the video of him being beheaded
Posted by: paul on September 1, 2010 01:01 PM
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