Watched the video, and it was indeed hideous. The poor fellow was obviously drugged, and when the five thugs finlly jumped him I only continued to watch to see if it was genuine. My heartfelt condolences to his friends and family.

Gunny Bob

I have to say that I am beyond disgusted, beyond appalled, beyond nauseated, beyond any feeling or emotion I could ever express.......I am completely at a loss for this poor man, his family and friends, and for our President that has to make such peril decisions. I commend Bush for sticking with this thing and not giving in......I just wish someone would bomb these fuckers.........nuke them or something, they are just having a hell of a time with these sick videos and "religious" romps......do they actually think people would want convert and follow a god, Allah, that would find favor in innocent beheadings? Now thats a twisted, sick religion.....fuck Allah, fuck these towel heads.......nuke the cave dwellers!
PS.....if you aren't an armed military employee...stay or get the fuck out of IRAQ!!!

Bush is an idiot and anyone who votes for him will be asking for more of these terrible videos. I think we should get the fuck out of dodge and let them have their civil war then bomb the fuck out of the winners. Bush won't do that and Kerry won't do that. The Bushies will keep this thing going as long as possible because it is making them megabucks, they don't give a shit about the soldiers over there. We need to get out and let them have at eachother! The whole Middle east isn't worth one drop of American blood. Fucking cowardly, raghead bastards!

I watched the video and am very enraged at the fact that these bastards could get away with this. we should hunt these coward pieces of shit and kill them and there mothers and fathers so that there will not be any more like them!!!!
vote bush LETS ROLL!!!!

I dont know what to say. My heart goes out to this poor man. This is absoloutely no way to proove thier point. The Religion Islam does not support this kind of acts. These terrorists people are doing this by themselves, by their will and use Religion as an excuse.By killing someone will not make anything better but worse. How manipulative. In my oppinoin America should not vote for Bush. Its because of him there is a War in Iraq and no one supported it accept bush himself and his team. If everyone really does genuinely care about their loved ones they should vote against Bush and move the troops out of Iraq .We have a chance to probably end this if everyone votes for Jhon Kerry. Ever since Bill Clinton was president there were no problems. Bill Clinton is the Best president out of all. These troops are humans at the end of the day making money to support their families, these troops are going out their because its their job, they may get good money but is it really worth getting killed?
Most of these people are not here because they want to be.These are Bush's orders.Why should people have to die just so they make money. everyone Vote for Jhon Kerry so this can end....

Tactical nukes and start over.

I am so sick and tired of hearing the excuse that "Islam does not support these kinds of acts". They sure aren’t helping us catch the bloody terrorists. It's in their doctrine to kill infidels...US. If our President really deal with these terrorist the way he really wants....You'll hear the world/muslim outcry that the US bullies or that Bush is arrogant. Or you’ll see the Human rights blaming the US for atrocities. The muslim people are ungrateful by not outwardly supporting the end of terrorism (they know they are protected, so why should they care for infidels). The muslim majority can help us beat this evil if they really want to.

Give the INFIDELS or should I say the BASTARDS the same treatment Hiroshima and Nagasaki received (the 2004 version that is)and then let the survivors die of thirst and hunger they deserve it. You never know wich ones are the good guys and or the bad guys so the solution is simple DESTROY and start all over.Get your troops out of there before they are all killed by these cowards.
Rolly

How tragic, and yet President Bush claims to have made the world a better place. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but before this [still ongoing] war I don't recall hearing about beheadings 2 or 3 times a week. When are we going to learn our lesson? I'll tell you when- when it's too late. Eventually one of these terrorist assh*les are gonna' explode quite literally and it's not gonna' be pretty. How many people need to die? What exactly is the cause? Democracy? Ha- we don't even have democracy in our own nation. We are so corrupt, and yet look down upon other nations that don't put us on pedestals. I say let's fix America before we start meddling with other cultures that we don't even attempt to understand. I'll tell you what, if things keep going like they are, I'm moving to Canada!

My son JOINED the Army, just after 911 because he believes we NEED to fight. Pres. Bush believes the same thing- that is why we're there. But it's time for these PC wimps to get out of the way and let the Marines do their job- namely wipe these bastards out of existence. Kerry is a lying coward and isn't fit to wipe the boots of ANY American soldier. Think CAREFULLY before you vote on November 2 as to whether you want to retain America's independence, or become a suburb of France.

This is for Aisha. You say In your opinion America should not vote for Bush and that if we care we should pull out. I think you cannot fight a disease if you just ignore it or run from it....That's what we did for years. We must battle this evil overseas, and we all know president Bush does not play games... It's election year so he has to cool it for now, but he must be re-elected so this evil doesn't get stronger. The terrorist finances has taken a hit. The Oil for Food scandal is out and more. The terrorist would prefer Kerry for president...Why? Because he would do what we've done for the past couple of years...and the terror would just get stronger under his leadership. Kerry is weak and I don't want to take the chance of terrorist taking over my child's school and killing children here in the US... Because the US is divided the terrorist is finding strength in that… So wise up and stand firm to fight the evil-ones. It’s a WAR, they are not going to have mercy on you unless you’re a muslim… GET IT..

To: AnArmyMom...Bless you…Pray for your son and his comrades (Pure evil does exist). America needs to make up its mind. The country is divided because of all the lies and flip-flops going on out there. We Need to fight this battle. To Aisha: do you think if the murdering terrorist got their hands on Nukes they wouldn't use it. They want to kill us all “infidels” Man, Woman, Child, Baby, Grandmothers… We MUST Fight, But we need the support of the majority of the people here at home. Our military needs the encouragement and the support, don't let Kerry do what he's done in the 70s---demean our military... Without them the murderers will be here wreaking havoc...

TO Roland: "infidels" is what the Koran calls people who don't follow the muslim faith. So, muslims calls us "infidels".

i cannot not believe what our world is comeing to when i think of our children having to grow up in a world so horrible.
what the poor family of the late mr armstrong
are going threw i cannot not imagine as i feel so sick at what thous bastards had done, they are the total scum of this planet and i just wish i could have the opportunaty of beheading them with the smallest knife possible which is a bad thing for me to say as i am against any form of voilence,my heart goes out to all the armstrong family and i hope mr armstrong will rest in peace god bless u friend the weldons from uk.

Nuke and start over is not going to work we'd just create a bunch of other nations, some with nuclear capable, that would hate us.

AnArmyMom, I have a nephew over there as well, his second tour, and I fully support him. I'm from a military family and have had tons of friends in both gulf wars and Afghanistan. This is a needed action.

To those of you calling for pull out of Iraq over these deaths I don't see your point. Compared to other actions in the past to free nations the casualties in this theater are miniscule. It's a shame that others must give their life to further the cause of freedom for another nation and I hope they appreciate it.

Recently I have had my doubts whether the Iraqi's truly appreciate the sacrifice we are making for them. The fact is it is hard to see through the fog of the present. You truly cannot tell until years later.

Germany faced the same insurgencies after World War 2 where tons of the press and people said it wasn't worth staying there. While a generation later I'm not sure if the German people still recognize that sacrifice as a large portion of the World War 2 generation has aged or passed on, but the sacrifice was worth it.

Make sure you don't get too swayed by individuals with no spine, who would turn and run at the drop of a hat. Accomplishing a goal takes struggle, even through these times of difficulty.

Bring this vile Muslim filth to one of our meetings.....We promise they wont be a problem again.

AML

Anti Muslim League

First- My sincere condolences to the family and friends of Eugene Armstrong. I cannot even imagine what you are going through. I am so sorry that this happened because of such a sick and twisted group of people. I can't even explain how much hatred I have for them and what I would love to see happen to them.
Second - I think Bush has done a decent job even though I do not believe or stand by in a lot of what he has done. My vote is for John Kerry. I honestly think the negative things I have read here are just digs coming from the Bush administration. What better way to make yourself look better than to make the other guy look worse!!!!!!!! John Kerry is a great man and I think he would be a great President. I also think his wife has bigger cahona's than Bush!

TO Upset's comments: Look at what you're chatting about the President's wife cahona's...That's why these terrorist are strengthen from rhetoric such as that. NO RESPECT for a sitting president at war....The democrat’s and Kerry’s pessimism and negative grumbling are fueling the strength of the murderers, because they know they have a voice to stand up for them. You must not have kids to want Kerry in office. Look at what happened to Russia--- they did not support the war right? Where they spared from atrocities? NO,,Have you seen the pictures of the kids killed...I bet not. Have you seen the video of Nick Berg and now Eugene.. Even if the terrorist make a deal with Kerry "if he's elected" (I'm sure that why you want him in) do you think we're home free...They'll get us sooner or latter. They would want us to bow down to every thing they want. Ask yourself, Why does the terrorist want Kerry in power? I’ll tell you why, because he would not put a dent in the cause like George W. Bush….

A second hostage has just been beheaded. See link for the story above in the update.

I can not, I absolutely can not believe, the depth of human depravity evidenced by Eugene Armstrong's captors and executors. It would be horrifying enough, for his family, to have heard word of his execution but to behead a man and film it for political gain is soulless and no good can come of this. I pray that his family will experience incredible, supernatural protection and deliverance from the effects of this heinous crime...surely now, we can all agree that only GOD can help us now...these desperate, cowardly, deprave MEN are acting more like hyenas than homosapiens...

I say we lvl those mother fuckers!! Fuck Kerry and his pussy crew!!! Nuke the fuckers or send and Elite team to eliminate these brutal pieces of shit.

ok

Jeez, When will Americans see how similar they are to these people they despise? Americans say: Kill those who kill us, and guess what the Iraqis reply by doing? In lack of a superiour army they take out their frustration by killing innocent people instead, much the same way that Bush does. NO ONE BELIEVE IN SURGICAL PRECISION BOMBS ANY MORE. Any americans keeping track of all the mothers and children they have killed? A lot more than those who died in the WTC in 2001, I am sorry to say. And I have a feeling that is why these guys hate you so much. Seems right, huh?

You're telling me you can have an impeachment proceeding for a guy who gets a blowjob in the Whitehouse and then happily leave a guy in office that leads a nation into war behind false information? I don't get you Bushites. I was for this war when Bush was spouting on about WMD, mushroom clouds and all that, but what do you know- turns out it's all bogus! I damn well expect my President to compel deadly accurate information from his operatives before leading my country into war. Over 1000 of our guys dead and over 10,000 injured. Why? For what? And no, I'm not afraid of death and hardship for us as long as it's for a compelling reason. Iraqi's will not embrace and themselves fight for Democracy. They have no deep, personal connection to it as Americans do (because WE wanted our Democracy and paid for it in blood!). Sickening numbers of Iraqi's are happy to live in the Stone Age, and I really don't care. America was doing great before the war; credible threats of force were intimidating Saddam into various acts of compliance (albeit small, and at the last minute); meanwhile, sanctions were killing thousands of Iraqi's. What's not to like? Saddam didn't have any real viable weapon to threaten us with, so who gives a damn? But now, $200 BILLION of my (and your) dollars spent/wasted on people I don't give a sh-- about, while in the same breath they tell me I won't be getting my Social Security benefits when I retire because the fund is heading for bankruptcy? No sir, that damn desert and its inhabitants aren't worth one plug nickel, let alone all our dead and injured boys. IRAQ HAD NO WAY OF THREATENING US! Any man who feeds me a line of crap like Bush did and takes the U.S.A. into war, stealing $200 billion dollars from me and my countrymen, deserves at the very least to be FIRED! Lie to me all day long about a stupid blowjob; it has no relevance on how you run the country, no consequences for its people. I expect my President to be truthful at all times, and yes, Clinton was wrong to lie, but also his personal relationships should never have been inquired about in the first place! Besides, any President deserves a good blowjob after a long day doing that job; yes, even Mr. Bush. Ok, that'll about do it: don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Bush personally, I just think he and his posse are bad for our country.

may god`s curse be upon all those terror groubs

What our troop should do.
In my opinion, the USAF should fly over Fallujah and drop leaflets warning the "good" Iraqi's that they have 24 hrs. to vacate their homes. As they do they must go through US checkpoints to prove their innocence. After the allotted time fly B-52's wing-tip to wing-tip and make Fallujah a large glass parking lot. After that is done continue to the next HELL hole and repeat the process.

I wonder if we went to the nearest 7-11 and took the fucking raghead that runs the damn place out and make a video of us holding a shotgun to his cocksucking allah worshipping head and demand that all the ragheads leave the USA would do any good ?

Some brutal comments.

For "payback!" up there, let me just remind you that France, Germany, the UN, Russia, Britain and a host of other nations had, or provided, the same intelligence on Iraq. George Bush acted on the information reports provided from multiple intelligence communities, not just some forged up documents.

In order to have "brought us to war on lies" you would have to prove that the Bush administration forged all the documents from Britain, France, etc... intelligence communities. A President is there to act on threats and defend our borders and if all the reports are saying there's a threat, he better damn well act or the consequences to our nation could be catastrophic.

I for one find it hard to believe Mr. John Kerry would act, even if he found out there was going to be a terrorist attack next week coming from a certain country, for fear of making a mistake. I'm betting he'd want to sit around for a week calling the UN and asking if they'd support our nation in defending itself. We don't need pansy asses like that in charge of our security.

"PAYBACK"

You are a perfect example of someone who is unable to develop an independent thought or opinion without asking what to think.

Stop believing everything you hear, do your research and you will find...BUSH IS THE ONLY PERSON TO RUN OUR NATION AT A TIME LIKE NOW.

IF KERRY WAS PRESIDENT...
I want you to picture yourself sitting comfortably in your favorite chair, watching some liberal based media station; when suddenly your door is kicked in and several hooded men scream demands at you with guns and knives. Unable to defend yourself or your children (since guns were outlawed by the left) you watch as each person in your family is beheaded. Unable to help them as they cry for your help...you suddenly think "if only I had voted for Bush".

Thank You, U&O!! We're brothers in the trenches on this one. Everyone MUST hear about Jihad, that we may resist united. You are NOT alone!!

When will the Iraq people rise up and stop the kiling of their own police forces?

I would much rather fight terrorists on their soil than on ours.

THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT CHILDREN, YOURS OR THEIRS. THEY TRAIN THEIR YOUNG TO TIE BOMBS AROUND THEM AND BLOW THEMSELVES UP. IF THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR YOUTH THEY CERTAINLY DO NOT CARE AOBUT YOURS.

Troops fired on call in the fly boys and flatten the 4 sauare blocks and make sure they get the right ones.

We either kill them or we as a people will surely die. They hate anyone that is not their faith we are defile thier land by placing a foot on it. They on the other hand come to this county and want their rights.

The only way to stop this is to pull our troops out and start taking out their holy sites. Mecca...All of them!!! Bomb them, destroy all of them. What good are these people? Why do we have to fight their war the way they want us too? Why do we have to use tinkertoys when we could inialate their whole fucking land? These people are never going to be civilized ....Who are we trying to kid. Look, I have children to raise just like everybody else and technology has come to a point where it isn't safe anywhere. America is against the wall and no matter who is President the problem is not going away. The problem is escallating and it's time to do something about it. You people mark my words. You will regret not supporting to destroy all of these bastards in a few years. God Bless....

may god`s curse be upon them

To Anti-Moslem Girl- Obviously you are from a generation who has never been exposed to war. So "we deserve" what we're getting? Suppose one of these hostages- these PRIVATE SECTOR workers who went to Iraq to HELP- was your brother, or uncle or FATHER... would you still say "he deserves it"??

Do the research AMG. Look back to HOW OFTEN U.S. soldiers have DIED, in the hundreds of thousands DEFENDING OTHER countries and their people- because it was THE RIGHT THING TO DO, just as the war in Iraq, IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, because people DESERVE to be free; just as YOU are free (and safe) here in America, BECAUSE MY SON and many others are WILLING to GIVE you that freedom.

It has been TOO long since we had a TRUE Commander in Chief- One with the NERVE to back up the rhetoric.

And to you UPSET- the title is First LADY- and all the money in the world and command of foul language, will not turn Teresa into a LADY. She's more like a mental patient the way they lead her around and try to shut her up-to no avail. and the word is "cohonES".... not cohonas. She has neither class or cohones- she's just out of touch.

Laura Bush is NOW and will always be a VERY classy and elegant LADY- first or not. Hillary nor Teresa even understand the term. Being a lady means have a lot of strength, which Laura OBVIOUSLY does- she makes her point WITHOUT foul language; and speaks only when it's necessary- but always with grace and elegance, even as she is very succinct in making her point.

God bless the murdered hostages and their families- I cannot believe the barbarism that has been shown. But be careful not to condemn an entire society/religion for these few. I do hope though, that the non-fanatical Muslim community will begin not only to speak out against this extremism, but will help fund their more moderate brethren in Iraq; that to stand and fight these barbarians and protect their country and TAKE BACK their religion is something that MUST happen.

i have a brother in the army, and it scares me to see what hapend to this guy, the thing is this are just pictures, but if you have satelite and see a spanish or a foreign chanel well my brothers and sisters they show the live event, it was more groosom than these pictures, it got me mad because this poor man cried and screemed until his head was off. im perubian with my brother in the army, i love this country and i consider miself an american and in my opinion we should shirohima theyr asses, some people say what about the other people that live there, well do you remember when we went to free them end rescue them when they were crying out for help? after all that we did for them they desided to grab our flag and burn it, and step an spit on it like it ment nothing, our flag means a lot more than what most people think, for me this flag represents the people that are risking their lives evry day so we can be free, we should take our troops out and let them kill themselves

You fucking stupid Americans. These atrocities are occuring because of that Cowboy President you've got. Thinks he's John Wayne fighting injuns. The deaths of these hostages are as a direct result of American foreign policy. Why don't you stop interfering in other countries and concentrste on looking after your own people (Remember them George?) Innocents have died from all sides - civilians, soldiers, contractors - and does stupid George care? You bet he doesn't. He just wants access to oil and doesn't give a shit about people being beheaded. Just get out and we'll use the SAS to hunt these bastards down and give them what they deserve.

Yeah thank your SAS for hunting these guys down prior to September 11th.

How do you know we're not preventing a future catastrophe by what we are doing now?

Digger:

You mention France, Germany, Russia, the U.N., and their respective intelligence efforts providing justification for war. What did these so-called ‘documents’ say? I wouldn’t suppose anything was “forged”, but I wouldn’t mind seeing them if you can point me in the right direction. What I do know is what France, Germany and Russia were saying prior to the war in hopes of seeking its delay….

President Putin, starting a two-day state visit to France, said that a military intervention against Baghdad could have "serious consequences". M. Chirac said "nothing justified" a war today. He said that France, with Russia and Germany, was making a "moral judgment" but not deliberately seeking to damage the transatlantic alliance.

Again, not that war was unjustified, I personally think grounds existed based on Iraq’s defiance of U.N. resolutions alone, and that a credible threat of force is absolutely essential to U.N. validity. How that war is being prosecuted and whether or not delaying it would have cost us anything is another matter. In going it alone based on misinformation, America’s credibility has most certainly suffered. Would you at least agree that prosecuting wars in the future based on misinformation could also lead to “catastrophic consequences” for our nation, and others?
And, you may be right about Kerry… but you may also be wrong. We all have to make a choice between these two candidates, and I respect you choose Bush. I guess I’ll choose Kerry, and maybe I’ll be wrong. But I do tend to think Kerry didn’t earn his purple hearts and silver and bronze stars because of his timidity, so I think he will defend the U.S. and that he is probably the lesser of two dissatisfying choices (this time around).

Tj:
Ignorant doesn’t even begin to describe your baseless, unsubstantiated, not to mention ridiculous, comments. You don’t even know me; you attack my opinion and the few direct observational facts I cite and then go on to suggest that I do “research” in order to discover their flaws. You do this while at the same time offering no shred of fact or evidence to support whatever it is your trying to say, which is, I think, that you dig Bush. Well, good for you… grab that bull and ride it. You are a perfect automaton.

Payback!

Resolution 1441 was passed by all, due to this intelligence, so it is on the books, look it up. The only real difference is in how the countries chose to handle the breaking of 14 resolutions by Iraq.

How many chances should a country be given before you put the smack down on them for repeating the same offence over and over and over again? I'd say maybe 3 times. It took 14 TIMES for the U.S. because Clinton wouldn't act. France and Germany wanted to give them another 14 times I guess.

In the end it comes down to the fact that if you don't back up your words with action your words are meaningless.

I guess we just agree to disagree on some things. These people attacking Kerrys war record and medals are not my kind of people. It's what he did after the war that matters most to me. Not the fact that he protested or spoke up, I mean his senatorial track record. It just doesn't fit well with my beliefs, that's all.

His testimony in '71 was really damaging to POW's in Vietnam, but he was a young guy back then and I don't think he understood the impact it would have on giving the North Vietnamese something to wave around.

So I don't fault him for that.

I just think we need a strong leader who talks once or twice and then acts, no dilly dallying around. I think people realize Bush is like that and that he's not going to change.

For some that is scary I'm sure, but if you believe he is out for our best interests, for defending us, then it shouldn't bother you as much.

Digger:

Point taken.

We may disagree on some things, although I don't think we dissagree with respect to the U.N. resolutions. I state in my note that I believe war was justified on those grounds.
Cheers.

U.S. please don't kick out Bush for the sake of us, the rest of the world who half of the time don't know what we are doing and need the US to bail us out.
You need a strong leader who will put scum like zarqawi and his band of pussies where they belong. I can't imagine that some people are proud of what this "Yellow Belly" does. Shame on the rest of Islam that sits and watches.

We need to fight with the same viciousness that these scumbags display. Normally, violence can be challenged without further violence. But these aren't normal people we're dealing with. These towelhead pusballs need to be eradicated. We should not be looking for bin Laden or Zaquawi to merely take them into custody. We need to bring them in dead---hopefully beheaded. Until we catch them, we should be showing just how "evil" we can be. After all, since these camel-humpers believe that we are The Great Satan, we should at least live up to that reputation. We should make it clear to them that for every American/coalition member they behead, twenty of their detainees will meet with the same fate. We need to stop fighting this "politically correct" war. We have to get dirty in our dealings with these scumbags. Until then, they will continue the carnage, knowing there are very few, if any, ramifications that they'll have to deal with.

Payback:

You seem very hostile. I guess the thought of living in a Nation drowning in the confusion of Kerry scars you. This might explain your support for him, you both seem confused.

You want me to share my position? Here it is...

WHAT YOU SAID: 'Iraqi's were happy living in the stone age', what did you mean by that? As you so clearly stated; I do not know you...well how many Iraqi's have you made an effort to know? You may want to think about that before you make claims that they enjoy living in the boxes.

WHAT YOU SAID: 'America was doing great before the war’ Let me begin by saying, the Clinton era was nothing more than economic bubble waiting to burst. I don't care as mucha s you do, what he did intimately. I care that the marvelous economy Dems claim we had; did not exist. It was driven by fake financials throughout large companies like Enron. Towards the end of the Clinton administration the economy bubble BURST and Bush suddenly inherits a recession. Lost jobs due to corporations. Eight months into Bushes administration 9/11 occurred. More lost jobs. Now we recover, we flourish and you are too busy listening to CBS to know it. (Don't forget, Clintons own words, he refused to take Bin Laden. Not surprising considering he let our solider die in vain when he pulled out of Somalia. Now tell me again why we were attacked on 9/11.) HOW MUCH OF THIS DID YOU KNOW????
There are three other points I wanted to make, but I think this should be sufficient. I pray for you, I pray that you will have the courage to contradict the propaganda and open your mind to facts.

Payback: FYI-

Although you do not seem to take you vote seriously (assumed by your comments to Digger). Take a moment to review the thirty flip-flops listed at the following website. After you read this, tell me what you think he believes in.I wish I knew.

http://www.pardonmyenglish.com/index.php?p=399

LISTEN FOLKS . . . President BUSH is doing an excellent job as COMMANDER IN CHIEF of the GREATEST armed forces in the world. And these ignorant, uneducated, WEAK COWARDS are only losing a lost war which will end with the last drop of blood, being their own. What truely amazes me . . . is how my own BROTHER and SISTERS of my country of these United States of America can, however so remotely, degrade or otherwise deminish the HONORABLE actions of President G. W. Bush during these world-wind of times. United we stand . . . divided we shall fall. God Bless our Men and Women in arms, and the other unarmed Americans who "SACRAFICE" their skills to help a yearning country to be Independant and FREE . . . the DEMOCRATIC and AMERICAN way!!! GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA . . . "W" 2004!!! Cheers, Chief Joe, USN.

those towel headed sand niggers have opened up a can of woopass now, and there is no cave they can hide in now. Nuke em till they glow, and as they run around on the hot glass parking lot shoot em with the big guns. This world has no need of muslims,or Islam, but this world does need America!

F T W Nuke em till they glow

They are sick fuckers who there is no reasoning with them they find glory in there acts of sickness,i just hope our troops or bombs find them,give them murderers no mercy,eye 4 an eye.
Thoughts with those brave victims and families.

What the hell are our people doing working out there. They should get the hell out and let those pricks kill each other. Iraqis should be baned from travelling throughout Europe and the U.S. I don't give a shit if "the average Iraqi is peacefull, they are letting this fucking mindless violence do on under their noses. Lets disable Iraq and get the fuck out of there.

It is not Bush that is doing this! Remember the blood of 9/11 is on the hands of ONE man!!!! Bill Clinton! Had Clinton taken care of OBL when we had him cornered 9/11 and maybe all the rest of this would have NEVER happen, of course he was to busy playing hide the cigar with a fat little intern! And yes maybe we didn't find WMD's in IRAQ but there were there, you'd have to be stupid to think he didn't have them...he used them against the KURDS!!! And yes Saddam had links to OBL...Unfortunately most of the american public believes everything they see on the TV and the media is so liberial leaning you only get one side of the story!...Remember this...how many terrorist were walking free on the face of the earth BEFORE Bush?

I am in the military and after Bush is re-elected you will start to see a difference in the policy's in IRAQ and in dealing with these bastrads you can bank on it!!!!

IMO if John "Flip-Flop" Kerry gets elected it will show these bastards that the americans are weak and that they have won the first battle by scaring the country into voting for John Kerry, I mean hell what did Clinton do about terrorist?...ZIP!

I'll tell you what I am DAMN SICK AND TIRED OF!
I'm tired of hearing ANTI-AMERICAN Americans drivel! Micheal Moore, and the rest of you, GET OUT OF AMERICA! True Americans don't need or want you. You take and take, not willing to give anything back. You are yellow-bellied lily-livered cowards. I'm talking about many of our own politicians. How the hell did it come to this? I am so MAD!

There is only one SURE way to let the TERRORISTS (Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, the Alaxa Martyrs, et.al. [Make no mistake..., THEY ARE ALL THE SAME PEOPLE!]) know that the people of the USA we will not rest, until they are destroyed, for the acts perpetrated upon us. That is to RE-ELECT GEORGE W. BUSH! and then turn the US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines loose to do whatever needs to be done. Including, destroying Mosques, if that is where the terrorists seek safe-haven. Unlike the terrorists, the US military does not intentionally target civilians..., but if civilians get in the way..., they have to be considerd casualties of war. We lost 3,000+ civilians on 9/11/2001. They must be avenged, and the WAR must be taken to the enemy, NOW!

What, can't handle my posts?
you can't handle the TRUTH

I'm just someone who is interested in knowing how come everyone has gotten off track! We forgot what Bush first excuse for war was (weapons of mass destruction) then we forgot the second excuse once the first one was indeed made up. Oh yeah! The second one was (We need to free the Iraqie people).

Now to me, I think this was all about oil and Bush making mega bucks, but I could be wrong. Just feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Let me take a deep breath here! Now, since Bush has been in office; we've had the 911 attack, we've had price increase in oil, and we are paying with thousands of our son, daughters, niece, nephews, uncles, aunts, mothers & fathers lives (which is the highest price ever)for a war we don't know the real reason for existing.

Afterward, you know since the war was over, we are paying with our pow's being beheaded.

Oh yeah! once again, it is because of terroist! I forgot! Only, Bush didn't attack Afghanistand where the terriost's are! They decided on attacking Iraq (you know, for the oil, I mean democracy)!

Oh well, this manner/habit sounds like most Repulicans. You know, how they are. Well now, I know you just screwed me in the..., just four years ago each year until now, but, I'm just gonna let you screw me just oneeeeeeeeeeee more time. For another four years at that! It doesn't have to make since to me, just keep up the good screw! I really don't mind losing a thing! My life is not important and neither is yours! I'll vote you right back in for another "come what may."

And if Bush really wanted some Democracy in his life, why go there? WE STILL NEED IT HERE IN AMERICA! If democracy can't or won't be truely excerised here in America why should Bush be allowed to spend our tax paying money & our family lives trying to establish democracy in another country who doesn't appriciate the people who is trying to establish it. Let alone it not being rightously practice here in America.

I don't know much about Kerry, but I sure as hell won't bend over and say, "Bush, do it to me one more time."

Rather than to see my countrymen behead, I say let those people have their country the way they see fit as we have our country the way our country see fit. We're not right in many ways, yet no other country is saying because of it we are going to start a war about.

If you truly beleive in God's Word then accept this:

Ecc 7:25 I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason [of things], and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness [and] madness:

Pro 14:8 The wisdom of the prudent [is] to understand his way: but the folly of fools [is] deceit.

We need to know exactly who is the prudent vs the fool.

So, pray with me all children of God.

God grant our future President the serenity to accept the things he cannot change, the courage to change the things he can, and the wisdom to know the difference AMEN!

Stop being so racist some of you guys.

You have no shame.

The people who did this were porbably not muslims. Muslims arn't allowed to do this stuff. Research the religion yourself before you make these embarrassing remarks.

Stop being so racist some of you guys.

You have no shame.

The people who did this were porbably not muslims. Muslims arn't allowed to do this stuff. Research the religion yourself before you make these embarrassing remarks.

Stop being so racist some of you guys.

You have no shame.

The people who did this were porbably not muslims. Muslims arn't allowed to do this stuff. Research the religion yourself before you make these embarrassing remarks.

TO Thinker:

I don't remember who said this, but is sticks in my mind when I read comments like yours:

"All Muslims are not terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims"

Think about that the next time these DEVILS praising their Muslim teachings as they saw an Americans head off with a dull knife. I highly doubt you will ever see a follower of Jesus do something of that extreme evil in the name of GOD. As far as I'm concerned you may as well been standing next to them with your ignorant support in the video. Your support for these DEVILS angers me to the point where I cannot help but tell you to GET OUT OF OUR NATION ON A FOUNDED BASED ON A TRUE RELIGION!

send every troop we have got if they can murder ur people well murder theres !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All terrorists are Muslims????
What about the IRA? Beider-Meinhoff?

"MB":

The quote portrayed above directly related to these beheadings, which is the current subject matter of this blog. Your point is taken.

To much rhetoric in politics....We're dammed if we do and dammed if we don't.. The terrorists have too much support from the left. The terrorists have T. Kenney bitching about how we humiliated some terrorist prisoners with panties on their face...GIVE ME A BREAK. I think we should stop playing games with the DEVILS and begin really fighting this thing like a real WAR. But we can’t because the human shields around the terrorists might get hurt or killed. And if that happens the human rights, the muslim ledge, the left, the UN, CNN, CBS, and anyone who wants to see us loose will start crying out that America is being evil or arrogant. How can we win this war with so much pessimism and negativity from our leftist/liberal politicians....The Vietnam war couldn’t be won and many lost their lives because of such negative and pessimistic grumbling from people here in the USA... GIVE ME A BREAK ABOUT IT’S YOUR RIGHT TO DISAGREE WITH THE WAR…YOU’RE COSTING US OUR GUYS DIEING…We must believe if we stand together and show support for our military actions and our country “AMERICA” (who has fought and lost many lives protecting others) WE WILL WIN.

To clear up the quote, it was made by Abdel Rahman al-Rashed, General Manager of Al-Arabiya News Channel.

You can read the article here (cut and paste):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wosse605.xml

Here's what he said verbatim from the beginning of the article:

"It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims."

Thank you Digger, I think your reference will help those who ignore the point of the statement in their efforts to create pointless contradictions. I will retain the site in my archives for future reference, thanks again.

Tj

I seem very hostile? I express an opinion that very obviously differs from yours, and you unleash on me, not an argument, but a personal attack. And I’m the one who’s hostile. That’s brilliant.

As far as my statement about Iraqis being “happy to live in the Stone Age”; note the context of it in relation to my previous sentence. That said, I’ll try to clarify for you what I mean. Although logically I realize that probably not all Iraqi’s enjoy living in an oppressive society, I merely try to dramatize the fact that they appear to be unwilling, unable, or uninterested in organizing themselves to defy the inherent oppressive nature of theocratic rule… and that’s fine, so be it. I do not support the concept of depleting American resources in an effort to deliver Democracy to people who are not prepared to fight for and/or defend it. Globally speaking, Saddam Hussein prior to the war wasn’t much more than an impotent dictator baking in the desert who occasionally enjoyed brutalizing his countrymen. No WMD, no noteworthy connections to Al Qaeda. Sure, he was in breach of U.N. resolutions, but what does it cost us to agree to a delayed deadline for military action with such an ineffectual adversary, at which time other nations could have been compelled to join in the endeavor (AND EXPENSE!) of wiping him out?

On the ‘America was doing fine before the war’. You take one half of a sentence and then completely miss, or disregard, the fact that the statement was exclusively addressing the potential military situation between America and Iraq, and that’s it. The statement was making no commentary on America’s domestic economic status. How you then embark on a dissertation of how Clinton and his entire “era” was the unwitting beneficiary of illicit corporate misdeeds is completely beyond me. Putting that aside though, given the shockingly sweeping and simplistic conclusions you seemed to be making about America’s economy and how it arrived at its current disposition, I’m quite certain I would completely disagree with your viewpoint. A flourishing economy? Record setting Federal deficit and jobs still off the mark from the Clinton years… wherever do you get your info?

In your second post, you direct me to one of the most conservative sites in the nation and expect me to digest their snippet quotations of Kerry as proof of his “flip flopping”. I do not rely on such strident ‘agenda based’ organizations for information upon which to base my decisions, neither should you. And because I fundamentally disagree with Bush on many important topics (Iraq being just one), that is not to say I blindly support everything that is ‘Kerry’. I clearly stated in my previous post that he is, in my view, the better of two dissatisfying choices. As for the rest of your assumptions of me (i.e. listening to CBS), not only are they wrong, they continue only to enhance the fallacy upon which you rest your arguments.

But you’ll pray for me. Now THAT figures.

To payback: I could only get through your 1st paragraph and felt I needed to respond...Stop crying over spilt milk...Open your thick skull...YOU ARE KILLING OUR TROOPS with YOUR reasoning. WE ARE AT WAR. Don't be so stupid to think that SADAM didn't have capabilities to get WMD...That's what Kerry and the leftist would like to keep planting in our heads. Sadam was loaded with money and power and with that he could get anything he wanted. He was defiant to the UN and we needed to follow through with our threats if he did listen one last time. Did you see the news that exposed the UN's oil for food scandal on Fox...ALL of Them (France, Germ, Russia, and the UN) WERE Making deals with SADAM fattening his pockets with the Iraqi's money for food and medicine. STOP Supporting SADAM..He had capabilities for getting the WMDs ok. It's good that he's out. Stop making him out as a victim. He's not...I wouldn't be surprise to find out he sold the WMDs to Iran or any terrorist he could find..It's Good that He Out and not so much of a big guy when he has his hands behind his back...

To Patriot Mother- you go girl!

To MB- respectfully, may I ask where you are from? Most likely wherever that may be, you and your country have benefited (most likely directly) from our largesse or protection at one point or another.

You, and most of the world, can be glad that we don't "mind our own business" or bother ourselves with people who maintain opinions like yours.

Just remember MB, IF America were to fall (which it won't) countries like yours would be swallowed up by the Evil people like the ones WE fight now- not only for ourselves, but for the sniveling cowards like France and Germany, who would rather collaborate with trash like Hussein than play it straight with THEIR people's best interests at heart. THEY TOOK MONEY and screwed the people of Iraq, turning a blind eye- just as they are now doing with the poor people of Sudan, who are being SLAUGHTERED. But they'll wait for Us- AGAIN before have the nerve to right a wrong- and my guess is you'll wait on the sidelines too- even as OTHER young men fight the battles that ALLOW you to voice your opinions.

I hope at some point, you learn to look at more than one side of an issue- and do it dispassionately and without personal slurs on any group of people.

Has anybody forgotten that this whole mess got started because we were looking for Bin Laudin. or that the terrorist flying the plane were from Saudi Arabia [Incidently thats where Bin Laudin is from]. What ever happen to Bin Laudin anyway? and why in the hell are we in Iraq
1] Because they were responsible for 911 [Wrong]
2] Because they had WMD [Wrong again]
3] We are liberating the people [Wrong again]
because if you are trying to liberate a people
thats cutting off your heads, then I think
it's time to rethink your position.
4] Try saying "I don't know" [Now you got it] Oh
and by the way, where is Bin Laudin?

Common Sense, it's not the Iraqi's beheading the civilian workers it is al-Qaeda terrorists.

In my opinion the fact they've been able to enter the country, secure themselves a hidey hole and remain undetected is a pretty clear sign that they've been there before the invasion.

Who enters an unknown country and manages to have a secret spot without already having people there to help you?

I think that's a pretty "common sense" logical conclusion if you ask me.

UpsetandOutraged

poke your head in somewhere else. That post was a specific response to 'tj'. You don't have to like it. You obviously don't understand it. You clearly admit you didn't read it. So shut up.

"your killing our troops"
"stop supporting Sadam"

Boo Hoo... look who's crying!

Everyone knows what sadam's strategic intentions were. You say it like it's some great revelation, but you miss the point.

Move on... you haven't added anything to this discussion

Common Sense

Thank you.

(It's like stepping on a Bush-nest in here)

Payback: incase you're lost...this is a blog and everyone is included and entitled... You shouldn't be called "payback" you should be called "liberal"...I'm not crying and hoping we fail in Iraq YOU ARE LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLl

Make you feel better? Got me all summed up now don't you?

UpsetandOutraged:

Make you feel better? Got me all summed up now don't you?

Right. Like I HOPE we fail in Iraq. You're a real piece of work.

Payback: Well, you, the leftist and Kerry are all strengthening the bloody DEVILS....because they use your sense of thinking to justify the beheadings and murders...SO, YOU GO with your bad self...STRENGHT for the MUrderers...OVER with U

UpsetandOutraged

And YOU understand my sense of thinking. Right.
yeah, the beheadings are good... that's really what I'm trying to say. Your pathetic.

The war is what it is now. Before, you got a guy isolated in a desert. Now you got beheadings and terrorism run amuck. Nice.

So nuke it or whatever needs to be done, but get it done! And then get out!

Payback: what fantasy are you living in...Are you thinking that things would be fine and dandy if we didn't go into Iraq..PLEASE, Look at Sept. 11..
Did we do anything then...As I remember life was a bed of roses (since Clinton ignored the cancer it got bigger and stronger).. We MUST FACE this ThIng, fight it, and win it.. It's like a cancer. WE MUST fight/catch it early before it spreads here. How can you think that people who kill babies, children, etc. would have mercy if we pull out. Isn't that what U are advocating for... Why does the terrorist want Kerry and Hate Bush? Because they want us To cut and run...Well, it doesn't sound to me as if you are supporting our men and women in the military. Don't ever say you support our troops...Your words and pleas for us “Americans” not to be outraged and to want justice---gives support not to our troops but to the enemy. Wise up

your assumptions are in OVERDRIVE!
Clinton ignored the cancer? If I remember correctly, he authorized the assasinations of Bin and his whole posse. The agencies charges with the task went to court fight its lagality. Prior to 9/11, Bush has 44 warnings of Al Qaeda's immenant threat to the U.S. He was provided intelligence about two Al Qaeda operatives who left overseas for a strategic meeting and then returned to L.A. They were two of the hijackers. NO ACTION WAS TAKEN! But who could have known the magnatude of what lay ahead? Bin Lauden was even surprised at how devastating it was. You can't lay the blame for this on any one man's doorstep. They all dropped the ball!

Support our troops? Yeah, try to have a dissenting opinion about the Iraq situation and here come the Pubs to say you don't support the troops. Ridiculous!
Maybe YOU should wise up.

*Astala

UPSETANDOUTRAGED:

AMEN...

We need to start eradicating these towelhead scumbags, and not concern ourselves so much with collateral damage. We cannot stand idly by, waiting for these wastes-of-oxygen to behead another American or coalition member. We need to be proactive in our dealings with them, and go right at them. After all, this is the United States of America---not France.

"areyoukidding" - "I highly doubt you will ever see a follower of Jesus do something of that extreme evil in the name of GOD."

Umm, what about the KKK?

I really am appalled by the amoung of racism there still is in this country.

"Larry:" - "I wonder if we went to the nearest 7-11 and took the fucking raghead that runs the damn place out and make a video of us holding a shotgun to his cocksucking allah worshipping head and demand that all the ragheads leave the USA would do any good ?"

Larry, are you aware that most of the Muslim 7-11 owners you see are Indian, not Middle Eastern? I'm sure you don't, as I'm sure you're just another ignorant American who doesn't care to learn about the peoples of the world, but instead group them all together. You don't still call Asian "orientals" by chance, do you? Oh forget it, I'm sure you are too far gone to be reached...

Listen, I am not going to deny that there is a problem here, but "nuking them" (whoever "them" is) like payback, seymour, warrior and knowgoal have suggested is certainly not the answer- you can't just wipe out an entire culture of people- who do we think we are, a bunch of Nazis?

And TJ- your whole scenario of "several hooded men scream demands at you with guns and knives" if Kerry is elected is a bit extreme, don't you think? I mean, where would all these hooded men come from? We aren't even letting Cat Stevens in the country!

Maybe if the conservatives and the liberals stop bickering back and forth we can all sit down and come up with a solution. The problem is the terrorists, and they aren't just in Iraq. We've got to stop killing innocent victims, and have to start to be more understanding of other cultures and other religions. We live together in this world, and together as people we need to put an end to these terrorists. Nuke the terrorists, not the nation!

Oh, and can we stop saying ragheads? That is so degrading and sounds so uneducated. Let's not make America look worse than it already does right now.

Hi Reasonalbe wit: can you tell me why America always have to try to please other nations or watch what "we" say around them, or BE MORE sensitive towards them. Why are these muslim nations able to say or do to us what ever they please and still get support and funding.. We "Americans" are very upset how the middle east (especially the majority of the people who follow the muslim religion) are treating us... They're treating us like we are inferior and that they are higher than us "infidels", OK.. Why should we be nice to them? Please Understand this: they hate us with a passion and nothing we do will change it. They will just take what we have to give then stab us in the back or even behead us. We have to defend ourselves..They are not our "friends".. Their goal is to convert us (so they won't kill us) to the muslim religion. I know that not "all" muslims are bad.. But try looking @ the majority of muslims. A poll was done in Iraq which showed 50% thought the beheadings was ok ..Your suggestion for us to be more understanding of other cultures and other religions is not working. We have to use the language they understand--->real military force.

UpsetandOutraged- When did I ask "Americans" (why are we quoting this word- are we not really Americans?) to "watch what 'we' say around them, or BE MORE sensitive towards them?" (Again, this term "them" appears). Because I asked you not to say "towelhead?" Sorry for trying to enlighten some of you uneducated fools and to bring you up from the lower class. And again you generalize, insisting that the ENTIRE middle east is treating us poorly. I think before you spout your ignorant hatred that you should do more research.

And why shouldn't Americans be more tolerant, or "sensitive" as you put it? As a mixing pot nation, you don't think that we should be accepting of different backgrounds, even if they differ from your own? Well then you prove that democracy doesn't work, that the ideology that this country was founded upon is corrupt. President Bush is claiming to spread democracy in Iraq, and yet Rumsfeld is claiming that not all areas of the country will be allowed to vote: what kind of democracy is that? Selective democracy? Sounds pretty corrupt to me.

You know, I'm willing to bet that you don't know much about Islam. I'm willing to bet that what you know you've learned from the "news" (that's in quotes because American news is severely distorted) and those polls that you like to spew at me. Why don't you educate yourself a little more- ok, a lot more- and then reply. I would certainly enjoy having an intellectual conversation with you.

Oh, and do yourself a favor- why don't you spellcheck your posts before you submit them. A grammatically incorrect and misspelled reply doesn't do much to strengthen your argument.

Dear Reasonable: I've read your posts and in some areas I agree with you. To condemn an entire group or use racial epithets, no matter our level of anger, is incorrect. On the other side of that though, you come across as some sort of elitist with the snipes you take at "Americans" and your assertions that we lack tolerance.

Sure, we have our basic idiosyncrasies- as do the people of all countries. There are stereotypes assigned to almost every nationality- that doesn't make it true of every person from that country- only the one or two people the person making the statement actually met.

As an American, I am truly at a loss, and I suspect some other folks here are too, to understand WHY so much of the world wants to hold us in contempt. THat is of course, until you NEED us for something. Then suddenly, the world looks to America to right a wrong (ie WWII when WE turned the tide against Hitler). We could have just stayed home. Certainly what was happening to Europe had little to with us. And in the aftermath when we REBUILT the whole damned continent- no one was saying "ugly American" then, oh no- they were MORE than happy to let us take on the burden- protect, rebuild, feed etc.

Two years ago, the UN, after fourteen resolutions (Stop, ... or I'll say STOP again!) lacked the nerve to follow through. They are a group of Bureaucrats who only SPEAK of action- but take none. (look at Sudan)... SO GW stepped up and DID what the UN had SAID it would do if Saddam continued. Has he been 100% right- No, not at all. But I'll take ACTION over cowardice any day- and worse yet, honesty over duplicity (France and Germany supplying Saddam and taking money for it; UN food for Oil Program; etc.) any day.

Now, when WE were attacked we're told "we deserved it" by the elitist community. Even Kerry seems to be of that thought process.

Of COURSE things are deteriorating in Iraq. We're TURNING the tide, and the TERRORISTS, NOT the Iraqi people, don't want that to happen. So they step up attacks to try to SEEM as if they're in control, and can scare us into leaving. Do you REALLY think if we leave, they'll just disband and forget about annihilating our civilization? Are you really that naive?

I guess what the world fails to understand about America and its people; (many of whom CAME here and are as much a loving citizen of this country as any of us born and bred here) is that, although we'd LIKE it if the world appreciated us- and perhaps even liked us- WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE SEE AS RIGHT, liked or not.

You remind me of a teenager screaming "I hate you" at your parent, but knowing years later you'll be glad they stood their ground.

Your points are your points- I respect that. But have respect for other's points of view also. That is the RIGHT America has fought for and will continue to fight to provide to everyone. Just remember, that in a LOT of areas of this world, the things you say here so casually, WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.

AnArmyMom-

I think that what I am trying to say has somehow been misconstrued.

I am in no way in favor of Kerry's laissez-faire position, if that even IS his position. I absolutely believe that action needs to be taken and that the terrorists needs to be taken down, immediately. And I absolutely agree with you that other countries look down upon us and criticize our actions until they are in need of help, at which point they call upon us for aid. Do I think that we should have gone to war in the first place- I'm not so sure. Do I believe that we need to finish the job we started- absolutely. Do I think it's going well- not at all; I think that we could be doing a better job.

What I was trying to point out, which is in the beginning of my first post, is that racism and prejudice are not helping this whole situation. Do you honestly believe that wiping out the entire middle east is going to solve all of our problems? And this is not just directed at you, AnArmyMom, but everyone- does everyone really think that this is a valid solution? Because if you do, then you are truly ignorant.

These are nations that have been around long before the USA who have history and culture that the US will never know. As an educator myself, it pains me to see that people in a great country full of resources refuse to educate themselves and to open themselves up to learning about other people. If you review the comments from this entire thread, you can plainly see that the people here are unwilling to do that. As Americans, as a nation of people from different backgrounds, different morals, different ethics, different ideologies, how can we expect the people of the world to be civil with us if we can't even be civil with ourselves?

These terrorist assh*les need to be defeated, but let's not condemn an entire region of the world with them.

Dear reasonable wit: Please understand that in the atmosphere of blogging it's understood for persons to misspell words or even use computer jargon (don't be so critical) due to the fast pace and informal environment such as this... Second, I learned about muslims from what the majority of the muslim followers has shown on TV (Yes, TV/media). They've showed me that because I don't believe in allah they will kill me. YOU GET IT buddy. Does their Koran really teach to love people who have different beliefs? Oh, you would say yes. Why don't you go to Iraq, Iran, or even Sudi and say you are a Christian out loud. Your muslim brothers will have open arms for you.. YEAH RIGHT By the way the poll I was talking about said that 50% of the muslim WORLD agreed with the beheadings that recently happened...TAKE IT HOW EVER YOU WANT...AND you can try to demean my intellect but that's not going to stop my opinion and voice.

reasonable_wit:

Bravo! (for the most part)

BTW: My "nuke em" line was not meant literally. I do realize that is not a viable solution, at least not one that will place us in very good standing. My only contention here is that I disagree with how and why George Bush took us into Iraq. But now we’re there, and yes, the world is a better place without Hussein. Anyone have an idea about the best path forward from here? America can’t continue to shoulder the military and financial burden of these actions alone (or essentially alone). What do we want for the future of American foreign policy?

Well said, Reasonable. That was my point also- we cannot condemn an entire culture.

And yes, Upset, you SHOULD read the Koran and speak with some of the "normal" Muslims who do NOT susbscribe to the beheadings or other immoral activity being perpetrated in the name of Islam.

There are moderate, and not so moderate, Islamic groups now speaking up to "take back" their religion that has been hi-jacked and perverted by a FEW sick thinkers.

The problem in our country is that our DEPENDENCE on the media- a primarily liberally minded political group of people WITH AN AGENDA- subverts the free thinking our population has been so proud of through its short history.

Wake up folks- don't condemn whole cultures. LOOK , really look first at yourself and your prejudices and REALIZE that that is exactly the kind of thinking that is fueling this conflict.

As far as the way forward, we have NO choice but to complete the path we are on. Can we do things better? Yes. We must be MORE decisive in our actions- and if some buildings (mosques) get caught in collateral damage- so be it. Does anyone really think the terrorists cared on 911 when so many people and buildings in NYC came down? I don't think so.

We all have to work together- and believe TOGETHER in ourselves and the mission at hand.

Thanks AnArmyMom for making that point. We shouldn't condemn an entire culture-->that's wrong. Seeing Eugene's neck being sawed off outraged me and I was not going to make any excuses or try to pacify what had happen. I know we have to rationalize the situation, but how can I ever understand the sawing off of a neck of a being..
I agree, we cannot condemn a culture--believe it or not --My own brother converted to muslim and I love him. But, why can't the muslim people help us fight these terrorists? Why can't they stand up with us publicly and support the fight against terror? I don't hear or see protests against the terrorist, but I see protest against the man who's trying to fight it. Is the right?

UpsetandOutraged and AnArmyMom- awesome points.

In my opinion, I think that is is harder for the Muslims of the Middle East to stand up against terrorists- I mean, they're kidnapping and beheading people left and right. Could you imagine how afraid they must be? To live in a place where there has been constant fighting for the past - oh, I don't know, how long has it been now? Before the Gulf War at least! Constant termoil, constant danger, and now sick, sick terrorists who at the drop of a hat would broadcast such a demonic murder as a beheading. I don't blame them for not wanting to stand up against them, especially when these terrorists are in their own back yard. I'm sure that if our country was taken over by terrorists, we would experience the same fear and cowardice- does anyone remember the McCarthy hearings and the Red Scare (or at least know about them)?

And I don't blame them for speaking against the US either. Pres. Bush painted a portrait to Americans and Iraqis alike that he was going to go in there and solve everyone's problems. And he made it seem that it was going to happen almost immediately. And for that I am angry- he should have given it to us straight and not dismissed how tumultuous this was going to be. I'd be pissed at the US too if I were them. They may have been living in hard times with Sadam as dictator, but at least they weren't being bombed every other day- and I am in NO WAY condoning or supporting Sadam Hussein (I foresee a ton of replies about that!).

But Payback is right- what do we do from here? What do we do in the future? I think that we should focus on Iraq until they can support themselves, and lay low for a while after that. Let's focus on America for once and deal with our own issues- health care, the economy, social security. The only other war I think we should get ourselves involved with is the War on AIDS. Let's stop increasing Congress' salary and start using our money for humanitarian causes. Ah, that's just the liberal in me coming out!

Bush sent troops to Iraq for his self-interest. The troop should not be there in the first place. Irag or should I say Saddam is not behind what happened on 9/11. Bush should only focus on haunting down the Al Quedas only. Damn Bush... Uses Americans for his self-interest. DONT VOTE FOR HIM!

Dear Anti-
YOUR president, Clinton, had Bin Laden OFFERED to him on numerous occasions- he was too busy with Monica, and Jennifer and God knows who else to take him. He might have "offended" someone or hurt their little feelings.

Just WHAT self- interest has GW realized from going to Iraq? It hasn't been that great for him politically- and no matter how you THINK he is- I cannot believe that ANY human being would find making the decisions he's made easy ones to come to grips with.

I constantly hear the Liberals and John Kerry whine about what is wrong; and what GW did or didn't do (depending on which day of the week it is, and which Clintonite is feeding John his lines on a given day), but I hear very little SPECIFICALLY about what would SOLVE the problem.

So we went to Iraq, and lo and behold, some of the SAME people are there, and have BEEN there, creating terror and associating with Saddam and his charming sons. But you would have us believe that GW concocted all this for ..... gee, I don't think I caught any specfic reasoning here. But then, we NEVER hear specifics from your side, just a lot of complaining. NOthing POSITIVE ever seems to get said.

I heard Kerry today. The day AFTER he insulted several other world leaders. (Great way to build those alliances h