/ November 7, 2004 03:13 PM
I happened upon Michael Moores post a few days ago, but forgot about it. Tom over at Anti-hero
did a post on it that reminded me of it. Tom has a complete copy of it just in case Moore decides to pull it like he did all his other posts after the election.
My feelings match Tom's on this. Why do you have to be a whiny little bitch about an election? I don't understand it.
This on top of news today that a man from Georgia drove all the way to Ground Zero at the WTC in New York and took his own life with a shotgun.
Fox News (tipped by Outside The Beltway)
A 25-year-old man from Georgia who was apparently distraught over President Bush's re-election shot and killed himself at ground zero. Andrew Veal's body was found Saturday morning inside the off-limits site, said Steve Coleman, a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. A shotgun was found nearby, but no suicide note was found, Coleman said.
"I'm absolutely sure it's a protest," Mary Anne Mauney, Veal's supervisor at the lab, told The Daily News. "I don't know what made him commit suicide, but where he did it was symbolic."
Michael Moore now has blood on his own hands. Driving people to believe that this election is the end of the world and is so important has now driven someone to get so frustrated and affected by it that he's shot himself over it.
Looking at it as "a protest" is just stupid and I hope the woman that said that catches hell from everyone she knows.
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Update: (6:46PM PST)
Funny, SlantPoint came to the same conclusion as I did.
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Update 2: (Nov. 9, 10:39 AM PST)
I have posted a new entry:
Nov. 9 - Man Who Committed Suicide At Ground Zero Left Three Page Note
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Posted by Digger on November 7, 2004 03:13 PM (Permalink)
I think it's shameful for -you- to assume that Michael Moore is culpable. Nobody commits suicide over an election. There was something seriously wrong in this man's personal life that had nothing to do with politics, and all the warbloggers trying to say otherwise have a lot to learn about the human mind.
Posted by: neil on November 7, 2004 04:37 PM
Sure the guy had something wrong with him, but the whole overhyping of this election is surely what put him over the edge.
then you say:
"There was something seriously wrong in this man's personal life that had nothing to do with politics.."
His travelling all the way to Ground Zero to commit the act shows more than his wanting to just commit suicide. The article above even says that he was upset by the election, so your saying it had nothing to do with politics is not based in the facts of this particular situation.
Posted by: Digger on November 7, 2004 05:01 PM
Doesn't this post equate to: Warning: do not believe that elections are very, very important, and if you must, never express this belief. You might accidentally kill someone.
While it's true that people should realise that one election may not be the end of the world, holding one specific person accountable is a bit rich. A mosquito like Moore can get a rise out of people, but would he really be effective alone? As a reader from Australia, following these elections, both sides have used the idea that voting for the other side will destroy our way of life, or even our life itself. The atmosphere of dire consequences was powerful, enveloping any passionate believer in 'Their side'. I have witnessed people of both sides declaring, not seriously I hope, on message boards that 'If x doesn't win, it's all over, I swear I'll get out the gun and I'll...'. I have a nagging suspicion if Kerry won some idiot somewhere would have topped themselves for 'election reasons'.
If he really did top himself over an election, then it was his over-riding stupidity in not being able to see what's really important that did him in, not the inane rhetoric of a popular entertainer.
In any case, that idiot deserves a Darwin Award. (except they can't be awarded for suicide. Damn)
Posted by: Claire on November 7, 2004 06:55 PM
Wrong Claire. Elections are important. But it is the continued negativity, demonizing, Bush=Hitler, letting Michael Moore sit in Kerry's guest box at the DNC Convention, that does not need to happen. Moore is not responsible. At least in the eyes of the law. No one is saying that. But he is part of a great movement to elevate the worst aspects of a party to national stature. Lots of things are said, and should be, but the leaders of this country have an obligation to marginalize those people who say things that cross lines. Moore does. Yet he is a darling on the Left.
Yeah, this guy that killed himself had problems. Sure. But he takes his cues from the top. Kerry conceded gracefully. But his moment of honor was drowned out by harpy-like voices on the Left that tried to top the furor of 2000. That's probably all the guy heard.
The guy that killed himself is the only one guilty of murder. Moore is just abhorrent.
Posted by: Scott S on November 7, 2004 07:22 PM
Pointing fingers when you know nothing about this man is disgusting, and using his death to try to silence Michael Moore is far beyond the limits of reasonable political discourse. Stay out of this man's life and have some respect for his grieving family.
Posted by: neil on November 7, 2004 07:23 PM
Look, the guy writes an article on 17 reasons not to slit your wrists. This guy is upset by the election loss. I'm not saying anyone should silence Michael Moore, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of him blaming 9/11 and the death of others 100% on Bush and then going around inciting all this hate.
Once again, go read the article I quoted, obviously you haven't, because IT SAYS RIGHT IN THERE WHY HE FELT HE NEEDED TO DO THIS IN THIS MANNER!
Posted by: Digger on November 7, 2004 07:29 PM
Like we said, Michael Moore is not guilty of causing this guy's death. We're just pointing out his own contribution to Bowling For America. Perhaps his obsession with fringe folks gone mad has led him into a world of self-fulfilling fantasies where every complaint he has can lead to victims which can then be turned around on who he's complaining about. We're just trying to stave the would before it bleeds all over the nation once more.
Bush and I want a culture of Life. Get it? Moore has a fascination with the dead.
Posted by: Scott S on November 7, 2004 09:10 PM
We really need to get away from the George Soros, Michael Moores and all the rest of the "Haters" on the Left and the Right needs to trim the "Fringe" as well. This country needs more AMERICANS who will unify towards a common goal, not off towards socialism on one side or a religion driven government on the other.
The Emotionalism both sides pumped on this last election takes all the reason out of it, and leaves only distaste after . . It needs to change!
Posted by: large on November 8, 2004 09:52 AM
Culture of life, huh?
A man was beaten just outside his University City apartment by a group of five men who believed he was from the Middle East, San Diego police said Thursday.
The victim was trying to park when the assailants, all white men, threw a beer bottle and shattered his car window just after 11 p.m. Wednesday, Sgt. Rich Nemetz said.
I expect to see your post laying this crime on the head of Ann Coulter by this afternoon. Please make reference to how she must recant her views to save the lives of innocent minorities everywhere.
Posted by: neil on November 8, 2004 10:19 AM
Throw the guys in jail. Bush nor I have ever advocated targeting people based on ethnicity or religion.
I don't see your point here. If there was someone on the right that advocated hate, I'd be with you. Coulter is extreme, but hardly advocates violence or hate. She is all for racial profiling for national security, but within the contraints of the law - patriot act.
Posted by: Scott S on November 8, 2004 10:35 AM
Oh puhleeze! Ann Coulter advocates violence and hate ... repeatedly. Against blacks, against liberals, against anyone who is not a Republican. No one on your side of the political fence can say anything about our side having Michael Moore when y'all have Ann Coulter.
When you deal with her, then you can say something to us. Not until then. To do otherwise is hypocrisy of the highest order.
Posted by: Rogue on November 9, 2004 09:56 AM
let's look at what moore really said about bush
1-he likes to make money (good who doesn't)
2-he went to war for the sake of oil (good does anyone realize that our nation would fall without
an abundance of this substance)
3-he is not a great speaker (well ray charles could not see to well but he was pretty good at his job)
4-he knew the attacks were coming and did nothing
(I'll give you this one just because I don't know that much about it)
5-he attacked Saddam for personal reasons
(if someone tried to kill your dad would you let
anyway moores' movie only made me like bush more
remember the scene "Now watch this drive"
What a badass, I think arogance is fantastic.
Posted by: good ol country boy on November 9, 2004 10:14 AM
Posted by: Digger on November 9, 2004 10:44 AM
good ol` country boy and his good ol` simple minded attitude towards politics scares the crap out of me......maybe if this country was not afraid to challenge what the media shoves down their redneck throats, we would have a better golfer as our president......michael moore is a patriot in his own right for challenging the country by placing facts and incredible evidence to declare pres. bush a complete idiot, which he is and will continue to be for the rest of his sorry excuse for an existence.
Posted by: draftdodger on November 10, 2004 07:19 PM
just wanted to get a reaction about Farenheit 911.
guess we need to thank Mike for reelecting Pres.Bush with his movie. Looks like a whole lot of people disagreed with his views and voted for Bush.
Again, we are grateful and keep up the good work.
Posted by: joe on November 12, 2004 04:24 AM
the people that voted for douchebag, i mean, bush, didnt even watch farenheit 911...they viewed it as left propaganda...."none of that stuff can be true!" thats what the right says, well maybe if they opened their minds and researched beyond fox news they might have voted otherwise.
Posted by: draftdodger on November 12, 2004 07:40 AM
I have watched all of Michael Moore's movies and I voted for Bush.
Posted by: Digger on November 12, 2004 09:05 AM