Assemblywoman Sally Lieber, a Democrat from Mountain View who has no children
, is planning on introducing in the California legislature a "no Spanking" bill that would come with up to a 1 year prison term and $1,000 fine. Can you get any more "nanny state" than this? Absolutely ridiculous! California lawmakers seem to have this opinion that they should stick their nose into every little thing you do, from the way you relax after work with a cigarette or cigar to the way you raise your kids.
Voters in Mountain View should be ashamed of themselves for voting for this idiotic woman.
San Jose Mercury News
Making a swat on the behind a misdemeanor might seem a bit much for some -- and the chances of the idea becoming law appear slim, at best -- but Lieber begs to differ.
"I think it's pretty hard to argue you need to beat a child 3 years old or younger,"' Lieber said. "Is it OK to whip a 1-year-old or a 6-month-old or a newborn?"
Sure it's fine. I actually endorse it! If your "terrible two" year old is acting like a total ass they need to be corrected and no kind of reasoning is going to straighten them out like a swat on the butt. Now this lady is trying to make it sound like people who spank their kids are whipping them with a freakin' bullwhip, that is simply a stupid comparison.
There are already laws on the books for child abuse and if we're going to start hauling moms into court for giving their 2 year old a smack in the store then we might as well go with a totally state run program to raise all the kids since that's what the Democrats like this woman want. Why not just have the government come and take the children straight from new mothers and put them in little "child raising farms" so that we ensure they never might face a smacking on the rear for being unruly?
Experts in child psychology disagree over whether spanking is a legitimate or effective way for parents to discipline their children. Professor Robert Larzelere, who has studied child discipline for 30 years, said his research shows spanking is fine, as long as it's used sparingly and doesn't escalate to abuse.
"If it's used in a limited way," the Oklahoma State University professor said, "it can be more effective than almost any other type of punishment." He added that children 18 months old or younger shouldn't be spanked at all, because they can't understand why it's happening.
As for Lieber's proposal, the professor said: "I think this proposal is not just a step too far, it's a leap too far. At least from a scientific perspective there really isn't any research to support the idea that this would make things better for children."
So even the experts agree with me. Now about that childless part of the story...
But Lieber is optimistic that lawmakers will find her proposal hard to resist. For the record, she does not have children and says she was not slapped as a child. But she does have a cat named Snoop, which her veterinarian told her never to hit.
Well then she's fully qualified to tell parents of California how to raise children. I mean she has a cat and all! Maybe people as ridiculous as her wouldn't exists if they would have been slapped and spanked as a child
*Shakes head and mumbles in anger*
By the way, I'll tell you a little story about one of my late cats. She had a habit of trying to get into the fridge to check out the food. Of course if I had shut the door accidentally on her she would have suffocated within minutes. So I got a squirt bottle, held the fridge door open and waited for her to try to go in. The moment she put her nose against the bottom of the fridge, I squirted her with water full blast in the face. That's like a spanking for a cat (we all know cats' love affair with water). Guess what? She never tried to get into the fridge again.
Moral of the story: if I love my cat enough to discipline her effectively in order to stop her from hurting or killing herself, don't I owe the same to my child?
Posted by: Emilia Liz on January 20, 2007 10:35 PM
Well, if a parent doesn't spank their kids, then society will (metaphorically) do it for them. And society won't be kind, merciful or have a desire to lovingly guide their kids toward a life of charater.
If I hadn't been spanked as a child, I'd be one uncontrolled wretched beast now, that's for sure. Thank you for spanking me, mom and dad!
Posted by: Renee on January 22, 2007 07:52 PM
Pittiful! No wonder why our today children are spoiled, rude, disrespectful to theirs own parents and others. This once upon a great nation is now nurturing, growing a bunch of "spoil" children who have poor sense of values and responsibilities. They think the world own them something. I agreed with the reader above, that the people in Mountain View should "live in shame" for electing this individual to represent them. There is a big different between "raising" a child vs. "abusing" a child. Definding a limit, untolerable to poor behaviors.
The ironic thing is, when these children "growth up", continued their "unrulling" behaviors, disobey the law, they would be discipline by our "beloved" system - going to jail. Once they are in jail, their life is ruin from being able to get the job, on the "good citizen" list. Yet, sadly, the law try to introduce punishment to the parents who try to "correct" the children's behavior in the early stage of his, or her life. Having said that, I do not "endorse", nor do I tolerate "child abuser".
Honestly, I wonder how many grown adult out there that never got "spank" when he, or she was a child. I certainly did. I still love my parents and the values and beliefs that they instilled in me. Hoping a better world is ahead for my beautiful children.
Posted by: Mo on June 4, 2009 08:31 PM