/ September 14, 2006 10:02 AM
I'm just wondering how long it takes Canadians to blame America for the actions of the Dawson College shooting in Montreal by 25-year-old Kimveer Gill. Yesterday Kimveer Gill went into Dawson College and opened fire with multiple weapons killing 18-year-old business student Anastasia De Souza and wounding nineteen others. Six were labeled as in critical condition this morning.
was into the goth and vampire culture and seemed fascinated with the Columbine shootings. He also seemed like he was very pissed off according to blog postings they've found of his. The news has already clamped on to the fact that he played a game called "Super Columbine Massacre" and other sources point out his love of heavy metal music. They've already ruled it out as a "hate crime" although I'd say shooting 20 random people is pretty much the quintessential "hate crime".
Gill showed up at the school in a black trenchcoat during lunchtime and pulled out an automatic rifle and entered the building shooting randomly. Three minutes later police showed up on an unrelated call and entered the building. A shootout ensued and Kim Gill was killed in the incident. He was hit by police gunfire, but the police are not confirming the kill, which means he may have ended up killing himself.,
Two hours prior to the shooting Kimveer Gill wrote a message on his website and posted some pictures.
In his profile on vampirefreaks.com, a website devoted to Goth culture, Gill called himself "Trench," and wrote: "You will come to know him as the Angel of Death."
"Work sucks … School sucks … Life sucks … What else can I say?" he wrote. "Metal and Goth kick ass. Life is like a video game, you gotta die sometime."
A photo gallery accompanying the profile includes pictures of Gill brandishing a Beretta CX4 Storm semi-automatic rifle. In the last seven photos, he is wearing a black trench coat and holding the rifle. The caption below the last photo reads, "Ready for Action."
I mean it's always America's fault somehow right? He got the idea from America or the guns from America or was encouraged by a game made in America or saw an American movie or TV show that made him do it right? It's just not possible that someone living in liberal Canada where guns are looked down upon and banned in certain areas would do something like this right?
Of course you'll have every group under the sun coming out and blaming everything. For instance over at Blabbermouth.net in a article entitled "Gunman Who Opened Fire At Montreal College Was Heavy Metal Fanatic" they have some more info from his website.
Gill's list of favourite music groups is a who's who of heavy metal: OZZY OSBOURNE, MARILYN MANSON, IRON MAIDEN, DANZIG and METALLICA, but only the "old stuff."
His favorite movies list includes mostly gory horror films. He enjoys violent video games including the controversial "Postal", a first-person shooter game, in which the protagonist goes on a killing spree while completing everyday errands.
So how long before it's the music or movies fault? I mean we could never actually blame the killer for what he did, it's always someone or something else's fault right?
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Posted by Digger on September 14, 2006 10:02 AM (Permalink)
You are a moron.. No one blamed the U.S. .. Grow up and create your drama on another topic.. people died and you are trying to start a fight about it.. moron!
Posted by: Randy on September 15, 2006 08:11 AM
No. I'm just used to everytime something bad happens in Canada it's somehow America's fault. It's the truth and I can almost guarantee you someone will try it.
As for someone blaming it on heavy metal music, movies, video games, books or the Internet you can lay money on that one. It's probably already been mentioned somewhere.
Posted by: Digger on September 15, 2006 09:29 AM
I never talked to Kimveer on my own, but instead talked to him for my sis. I would read the comments he would send him messages for her, I never saw anger in him. I viewed his pics and told my sis they didn't look to "nice" simply put. But i figured it was just for show because he is apart of a gothic site. He knew i played football and listoned to country, he never showed hostility twoards me. He talked to me like anyone talks to their friends. I've already read where he hates preppies and bull shit.
Posted by: daniel bonner on September 15, 2006 09:54 AM
I am sick of Americans acting like the poor little victims all the time. They always wonder why people dislike them. Part of it is because of people like you who take the offensive before anything has been said or before anything has happened. Noone has blamed the U.S. for the attack in Montreal but already you are attacking 'liberal Canada'.
Why not report on something real like why the US only invades countries with oil (Iraq) or pipeline routes (Afghanistan). Maybe Iran will be next (more oil)? Why not invade North Korea or Sudan.. oh ya they have no natural resources you want.
Posted by: Randy on September 15, 2006 11:14 AM
Canada blames the US for everything. I know live in
Canada and I'am from the states....its always our problem
in their mind.....Montreal is like Bogota Colombia....when things happen alot of people get hurt
Posted by: dwayne on September 15, 2006 09:40 PM
This rant doesn't surprise me. Reichwing Americans (bot the good, real Americans) are obsessed with Canada. The irony of the literary rampage is that the reality is exactly the opposite: Amerikan reichwingers always blame Canada. Anti-Canadianism is so virulent in some circles, the creators of South Park mocked this disturbing fascination with their famous "Blame Canada" expose. Canada is also forever saving Americans, from the Iran hostage-crisis, to arctic rescues, to 9/11 Afghanistan and Katrina - Canada is always babysitting the US: I suspect that's the real root of this anti-Canadianism: Envy and jealous ingratitude. Doesnt matter, we will continue to do whats right when people are in distress, even if what we get in return is hatred. http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,95568,00.html
Posted by: Robbie on September 16, 2006 02:34 AM
I don't hate Canada or Canadians, you guys just have some really wacky liberal politicians up there who like to blame America for every little nitpick. I haven't heard anyone here ever "blame Canada" for anything other than in jest, like in South Park or for sending us people like Bryan Adams...
Did you miss the whole point of the "blame Canada" thing? It was because Canada does almost nothing offensive, it's an ironic joke, or are you just really sensitive?
Posted by: Digger on September 16, 2006 03:33 AM
Nobody in Canada blaim U.S. for that kind of crime, you know Canadians live the americain way, we buy the same products, whatch the same tv shows and eat the same crappy food. That guy who shot at Dawson was just a mentally ill like the ones at Columbine, some wackos appears like that once in a while... That's sad, but that's life...
Posted by: Franky on September 21, 2006 12:19 AM
Canada's crime rate is currenlty 50% higher than the U.S's and that includes violent crime. It's not really the Canadians who do the blaming, but lame politicians who do not want to face up to their own domestic problems. By blaming America they can get out of it unscathed. It actually gets people elected in western europe.
Posted by: Mario Sanchez on September 22, 2006 12:15 AM
WOW!! I am surprised that Canadian news made it across the border. Nobody blamed Americans at all for this incident ... don't know where you are getting your information from??
Yes, they are blaming that video game and vampirefreaks.com although I think that is a little bit ridiculous ..... nobody is that feeble-minded to believe that crap. However I believe that website should be monitored more.
It's surprising to see how uneducated some people are .... get your facts straight (digger) before u post :)
Posted by: Christina on September 26, 2006 07:26 AM
It was a sarcastic post Christina. No one has said that ... yet, I was simply anticipating it.
If you don't think it was because of vampirefreaks.com then why should it be monitored any more than say myspace.com, blogger.com or other services that allow you to create your own page? For instance Rachelle Waterman, a blogger who killed her mother or trying to monitor any of these other sickos.
It would be simply impossible to monitor every new website (or pieces thereof) created as there are literally million of new ones across the web each day, unless of course you want to put in place some sort of government regulatory committee where you have to apply for a license or some other ridiculous notion. Hey wait, that didn't work for the legal guns kimveer gill had ...
When it all comes down to it the reality is that we have to rely on the "world community" to report things like this that they find. Just like in real life when you see a suspicious person lurking around someones home. Unfortunately that may include some religious group reporting you because they find your language inappropriate or a sexually suggestive picture offensive.
Posted by: Digger on September 26, 2006 08:20 PM
I AM AN AMERICAN WHO SOON WILL BE CANADIAN/FRENCH.
I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS AND GALS UP THERE FOR BEING KIND AND DECENT CITIZENS OF THE WORLD IN GENERAL.
WE CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT OUR COUNTRY HAS TURNED INTO.
A RABID, UGLY, RIGHT WING POLICE STATE. AMERICA HAS TURNED INTO SOMETHING I DO NOT WANT ANY PART OF.
I WANT OUT.
THE MORE YOU ARE LIKE EUROPE THE BETTER.LIBERAL.
I AM TOTALLY LIBERAL AND CANNOT WAIT TO ENJOY THE GOOD PEOPLE AND LAND OF CANADA ALONG WITH THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GRATEFUL AMERICANS WHO JUST CANNOT BEAR ANOTHER MONTH ANOTHER DAY ANOTHER HOUR OF THIS BUSH PARASITE.I FOR ONE WILL NEVER TRUST MY COUNTRY AGAIN.
FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART I THANK YOU.
Posted by: JUSTIN TYLER on September 28, 2006 10:09 PM
Just about as long as it takes idiots like you to blame every little thing that goes wrong in your life on the damn terrorists.
Grow up and join the majority of folks in your country and act like a reasonalbe friend and neighbour
Posted by: Stubbs on October 6, 2006 02:35 PM
I do not believe that anyone has blamed the United States. I also do not believe that anyone is trying to divert blame or responsibility from the shooter, however that doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to understand why this happened to help reduce the chances of it happening again.
Posted by: Peter Dent on October 15, 2006 04:08 PM
"But i figured it was just for show because he is apart of a gothic site."
I absolutely despise this comment, as it represents a mentality that many people possess with regard to the Gothic Culture. This comment demonstrates that people assume the basis for establishing your involvement within a community such as Goth is merely for shock value, rather than a dedication to the beliefs associated with it.
Goth is PACIFISTIC culture anyhow. Therefore why would Kimveer Gill pose with weapons on a supposed "Gothic" website (no, I do not consider VF to be Gothic)? This dolt may have perceived of himself as Gothic, but quite frankly us Goths would not prefer an individual who disregards of human life within our ranks, since we are pacifists. This anomaly of a person does not possess the support of MY culture, and I can't emphasize this enough.
If not for his whole serial killer status, I would confound this asshole for one of those 'faux-Goths' who need a lot of growing up to do. Goth is not an adolescent culture, at least, not the form I adhere to. Wikipedia doesn't even provide a single paragraph about the unit I place my confidence in. For me, it is practically a religion, although I simply consider it a culture. The beliefs are well established, and certainly those within the notorious 'scene' are of a distinct unit to my obscure belief system, spiritual path, culture, and philosophy.
Goths are a cultural minority which emphasizes pacifism, tolerance, introspection, spirituality, morality, intellectualism, aesthetics, individualism, creativity, high-brow culture, philosophy, as well as various beliefs, values, opinions, and ideas in response to such matters. Goths often detest unreasonable social conventions to an intense degree, and are typically characterized as indignant and may engage in 'insubordinate' conduct rather than remain in accordance with standards of which are regarded as inconceivable to abide by, although it is evidently to prevent injustice on their behalf when supposed restrictions can easily be obnubilated with oppression.
Goth will continue to exist when this ludicrous social and music scene ceases. We are the minority, yet we shall function as preservers of an immortal culture. We provide the foundation despite the fact that we do not appear to maintain influence. You must retain the fact that we are here, and we are dedicated and quite conservative (although not in relation to non-Gothic conservatives). When the youth are no longer engaged in Goth, it shall remain anyhow.
There are no "Corporate Goths" here. We would NEVER modify our appearance, as it must remain an intrinsic part of the culture. It is our traditional cultural attire and we must either gain acceptance for it or continue the difficult process of seeking employment. We shall never abandon our manner of presenting ourselves through clothing. This is not some trend, lacking substance. We are not adorning ourselves in what is simply a preference that can be discarded of in favor of being suitable for the standards of 'convention' and relieving ourselves of prejudice and intolerance. Goth is similiar to a religion, and perhaps could be. Your purpose for deciding to wear elaborate clothing substantially contrasts our purpose.
I imagine that 85% of the Gothic population is insincere, while 10% are sincere yet interpret Goth in an alternate manner to us, the remnant. I am finished commenting and apologize for this comment's lengthy duration.
Posted by: Goth should be considered a legitimate culture on July 12, 2007 08:21 AM
Also, Goths consider the prevaling standards of beauty within the predominant current of thought to be absolutely appalling. As a result, there is no 'ugly.' All body types are accepted as well as other physical differences.
Sexuality is often a topic of concern for Goths. Gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered people, those who practice BDSM as well as simply standard sex...are all accepted.
In society, a darker mindset is discouraged, although Goths understand that what is supposedly 'insane' behavior is actually the result of surpressed dark thoughts. Goths assume that if darkness is expressed through art or poetry or there are simply more discussions regarding it, there will be no pent up rage or frustration which eventually results in destructive outbursts. This does not necessarily imply that Goths merely concentrate on their darker nature, they simply emphasize it more, especially through aesthetics and creative pursuits.
I personally believe the more unconventional you appear to be, the more dedicated you are. Goth is certainly not about moderation, after all. Thick makeup, piercings, and colored hair are, in my opinion, very beautiful as well as convey a willingness to be Gothic despite persecution and hardships. Conservative Goths are usually always quite 'extreme' in appearance and being this way also promotes their self-expression, while moderation restricts it to merely being 'edgy,' and, if they are young, perhaps 'cool.'
Posted by: Goth should be considered a legitimate culture on July 12, 2007 09:12 AM
kk so.. i hear some ppl say it's vf's fault? i mean, if i were to go to a tattoo shop everyday, and be all angsty and whatnot, then randomely say "DUDE life sucks!" and go over to shoot down sobey's, would it REALLY be the tattoo places shop? no not really, everyone is blaming everbody but the PERSON who was HOLDING the gun in the first place. people are just, violent sometimes. Sure, America can be an ass sometimes, but so can Canada. and I'm sure all the little country's out there are very intimidated by the guys with the guns. I mean, who wouldn't? our world is very fucked up. But it's all about money, and blaming others. maybe they should have been monitering the blogs, maybe not. but the point is, if u got an issue, don't go out and start creating bullshit. get some fucking help.
Posted by: Callie on May 2, 2008 02:02 PM
haha shit i can't spell today |and go over to shoot down sobey's, would it REALLY be the tattoo places fault?|
Posted by: callie on May 2, 2008 02:11 PM
i dont hate canada or the us, in katrina canada sent down several enourmous cruise ships free of charge, clean, well-built, ships with thousands of room, heating, running water, electricity, ect. for the survivors, the us sent out armed gaurds to ensure that no US citizen could get onto these ships... for no reason... during katrina thousands of people made it down to a richer, more secure city only to find a group of rich rednecks carrying rifles and shotguns to ensure that no poor folk or minorities made it into "their" city... the us did nothing. the rednecks finally stopped shooting and just set up blockades when the media stepped in. there was no evidence of wmds in iraq, afghanistan, iran, or anywahere else weve invaded... there is video proof of this if you just look for it. the government showed up at my friends house with armed men because, while working out at the gym, he was talking about politics with a couple people who happened to be there, no previous relationships, he said, "fuck bush"... the government kept him in a cell overnight... previously i state i dont hate the us... i dont, i hate its government, i hate what its become, but it is the nature of all nations to fall... sooner or later... and mine will too.
PS stop saying America when referring to the US, it just makes you sound even more egotistical..
Posted by: MOT Maggot on May 23, 2008 08:28 PM
Wait of me Kimveer, I follow you!
Posted by: Samael on June 10, 2008 12:33 PM
Yeah, well I now DESPISE canuck leftists! Stay on your side of the fence assholes!!!!
Posted by: Go Away on June 20, 2008 05:08 PM
America LOVES school shooters, homicidal maniacs and when people commit suicide!!!!!
As far as I'm concerned, I am the only person on this planet that has the power to realistically prevent these types of modern day tragedies and yet no one cares. Don't be surprised when these crimes skyrocket astronomically because people like me are oppressed and ignored.
All of these people that commit these crimes are the victims and the people they attack are the guilty parties! This will not change until people like me get rewarded (instead of ignored) and put on the news for trying to prevent these tragedies instead of the people that commit them.
I'm a man living in the 3rd generation of a family history of suicide and I have about 100,000+ digital human kills from all the video games I play. Trust me I know exactly what goes on in the mind of a shooter and how to lead them to recovery.
These crimes will increase and rightly so, because the truth is being ignored. www.z-tron.com
Posted by: MrZtron on September 11, 2008 05:17 PM
Kimveer gill would have done more damage with a hunting rifle than his beretta cx4 storm 9mm. A hunting rifle is made to kill (bears, moose…ect) a beretta storm cx4 is a SPORTING rifle in 9mm caliber (NOT A ASSAULT WEAPON!!!).Assault weapon are less harmfull than any hunting rifle or gun since they are legislated by geneva convention to wounds rather to kill enemy. Please stop saying that we should ban assault weapon.Should we ban hunting instead??? Thank god K.G. only had a sporting rifle ratheer than a hunting rifle(more damage).If that guy wanted to kill poeple that day, he could of taken his car and drive in a bunch of people outside the school (CIGARETTES SMOKERS) and killed more than 1 person! Human nature is sometime very hard to understand.WE COULD MAKE LAWS FOR EVERY POSSIBLE SITUATION AND STILL HAVE PEOPLE KILLING PEOPLE!
Posted by: MARTIN on February 3, 2009 10:07 AM
Kimveer Gill was a tortured victim creation of his insane society via sponsored bullying and societal brainwashing.
It is likely that Victim Kimveer's Self_love was compromised leading to society being guilty of his self-murder.
Posted by: Seer Travis Truman on January 23, 2011 07:38 AM